1 00:01:10,600 --> 00:00:18,110 [Music] 2 00:01:15,859 --> 00:01:13,550 and good afternoon from Philadelphia 3 00:01:18,770 --> 00:01:15,869 Frank here with another episode of UFO 4 00:01:20,749 --> 00:01:18,780 news network Sunday today we've got a 5 00:01:24,290 --> 00:01:20,759 number of guests we've got four in total 6 00:01:27,499 --> 00:01:24,300 spanning the continent so let's start 7 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:27,509 way out west and bring on author and 8 00:01:34,940 --> 00:01:31,020 researcher noe Torres author and 9 00:01:38,749 --> 00:01:34,950 researcher Ruben Uriarte author and 10 00:01:42,980 --> 00:01:38,759 researcher from Mexico Carlos Guzman and 11 00:01:45,889 --> 00:01:42,990 the witness to the Koyomi UFO case Tony 12 00:01:48,820 --> 00:01:45,899 Ramirez gentlemen thanks for joining us 13 00:01:52,910 --> 00:01:48,830 and good afternoon to all of you 14 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:52,920 good afternoon Frank so I know yeah yeah 15 00:01:57,230 --> 00:01:55,050 let's say let's start with you and give 16 00:02:01,340 --> 00:01:57,240 us a little background about how you got 17 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:01,350 into all this UFO stuff if you could yes 18 00:02:06,469 --> 00:02:04,200 sir Frank again all of us appreciate 19 00:02:09,499 --> 00:02:06,479 being on your show today along with 20 00:02:13,370 --> 00:02:09,509 Chant who will join us shortly hopefully 21 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:13,380 in a half hopefully the traffic God's 22 00:02:22,430 --> 00:02:19,110 willing yeah as you mentioned I'm noe 23 00:02:27,380 --> 00:02:22,440 Torres and I'm I live in South Texas on 24 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:27,390 the border with Mexico and I had been 25 00:02:35,870 --> 00:02:31,200 compiling putting together a book of UFO 26 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:35,880 cases from Texas and I was doing 27 00:02:41,810 --> 00:02:39,450 searches both in my local libraries and 28 00:02:47,150 --> 00:02:41,820 also online when I ran across this very 29 00:02:52,370 --> 00:02:47,160 interesting story from 1974 in fact 45 30 00:02:55,099 --> 00:02:52,380 years ago today August 25th 1974 where a 31 00:02:58,490 --> 00:02:55,109 mysterious UFO incident happened right 32 00:03:01,250 --> 00:02:58,500 along the texas-mexico border in West 33 00:03:04,970 --> 00:03:01,260 Texas which we will describe more in 34 00:03:06,830 --> 00:03:04,980 detail as the day goes along but about 35 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:06,840 the only person that was doing research 36 00:03:13,009 --> 00:03:10,769 on that specific cases at the time was a 37 00:03:14,899 --> 00:03:13,019 gentleman who is one of your guests 38 00:03:17,420 --> 00:03:14,909 tonight and as my friend and co-author 39 00:03:20,990 --> 00:03:17,430 Ruben Uriarte 40 00:03:24,770 --> 00:03:21,000 from San Francisco Bay Area so Reuben 41 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:24,780 and I I contacted him I actually 42 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:27,810 contacted five or six other people who 43 00:03:31,430 --> 00:03:29,730 had something to say about the case and 44 00:03:32,089 --> 00:03:31,440 he was the one who responded to me 45 00:03:35,149 --> 00:03:32,099 immediately 46 00:03:40,330 --> 00:03:35,159 in fact within a couple of hours of me 47 00:03:44,119 --> 00:03:40,340 sending an email and thus began 48 00:03:48,110 --> 00:03:44,129 correspondence and working together 49 00:03:49,690 --> 00:03:48,120 we've done about close to 10 books now 50 00:03:53,509 --> 00:03:49,700 that we worked on together 51 00:03:56,180 --> 00:03:53,519 collaboratively and but the very first 52 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:56,190 book was the one about this 1974 case 53 00:04:00,559 --> 00:03:58,290 that we'll be working we'll be talking 54 00:04:04,009 --> 00:04:00,569 about today so that's how it all got 55 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:04,019 started and we have actually now written 56 00:04:09,410 --> 00:04:06,329 three books about this one case we've 57 00:04:11,110 --> 00:04:09,420 been on several television shows for the 58 00:04:14,690 --> 00:04:11,120 History Channel on the Travel Channel 59 00:04:16,909 --> 00:04:14,700 and so it continues to be a case that is 60 00:04:19,939 --> 00:04:16,919 fascinating because it has a lot of the 61 00:04:22,250 --> 00:04:19,949 same elements as a Roswell UFO crash but 62 00:04:27,409 --> 00:04:22,260 it happened much closer in time to where 63 00:04:29,890 --> 00:04:27,419 we are today 1974 so we'll have 64 00:04:32,620 --> 00:04:29,900 definitely a lot more to say about it 65 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:32,630 over the course of this program today 66 00:04:37,969 --> 00:04:35,970 got it and Reuben now let's bring you in 67 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:37,979 and tell us a little bit about your 68 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:41,120 involvement in UFOs you're also with the 69 00:04:46,010 --> 00:04:43,770 Northern California director for MUFON 70 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:46,020 is that about right yes the state 71 00:04:55,810 --> 00:04:48,930 director thank you it's a big enough 72 00:05:02,480 --> 00:04:58,909 also I'm connected with international 73 00:05:08,150 --> 00:05:02,490 work I work mostly with and assist other 74 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:08,160 countries as needed as Titone as Noah 75 00:05:12,710 --> 00:05:11,010 had mentioned it's been 45 years as of 76 00:05:16,330 --> 00:05:12,720 today that this extraordinary event 77 00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:16,340 happened there right across the border 78 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:21,120 about 40 miles south of Presidio in an 79 00:05:27,620 --> 00:05:22,860 area known as cleome 80 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:27,630 and we've been real fortunate to network 81 00:05:32,930 --> 00:05:30,930 with a number of investigators 82 00:05:37,820 --> 00:05:32,940 specifically from Mexico we have mr. 83 00:05:40,010 --> 00:05:37,830 Carlos Guzman who is a well-known author 84 00:05:42,230 --> 00:05:40,020 and researcher in Mexico in Latin 85 00:05:44,659 --> 00:05:42,240 America and we've Housel have 86 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:44,669 collaborated with him several others on 87 00:05:50,749 --> 00:05:47,970 this unique case so it's been been 88 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:50,759 really very interesting and then of 89 00:05:56,810 --> 00:05:54,320 course having a witness who was there 90 00:06:00,140 --> 00:05:56,820 who experienced something quite 91 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:00,150 extraordinary is also we're very 92 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:02,610 fortunate having Tony to meet us on the 93 00:06:09,409 --> 00:06:06,810 show so we really appreciate Frankie and 94 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:09,419 and chanta having us on on your show 95 00:06:14,779 --> 00:06:12,690 yeah with that just to explain we have a 96 00:06:16,580 --> 00:06:14,789 technical difficulties now and then but 97 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:16,590 they usually relate to computers and 98 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:18,930 stream connections and things like that 99 00:06:23,719 --> 00:06:21,750 but today unfortunately her issue was 100 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:23,729 technical regarding her vehicle so 101 00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:25,740 that's that's where she's at she's stuck 102 00:06:28,610 --> 00:06:27,840 somewhere in Phoenix and she'll be 103 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:28,620 joining us 104 00:06:35,719 --> 00:06:31,250 hopefully before we wrap up here and 105 00:06:38,779 --> 00:06:35,729 Carlos come on in and tell us a little 106 00:06:41,810 --> 00:06:38,789 bit about yourself and if you guys have 107 00:06:43,969 --> 00:06:41,820 to translate Carlos English is the 108 00:06:46,250 --> 00:06:43,979 second language but we went back and 109 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:46,260 forth a little bit so Carlos please 110 00:06:49,580 --> 00:06:47,849 introduce yourself to everybody and that 111 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:49,590 tell us a little bit about yourself 112 00:06:55,460 --> 00:06:52,289 yes thank you very much for this 113 00:06:59,360 --> 00:06:55,470 opportunity and to speak with with you 114 00:07:03,070 --> 00:06:59,370 and your guests well I will be involving 115 00:07:08,450 --> 00:07:03,080 in the UFO researchers in I was very shy 116 00:07:14,050 --> 00:07:08,460 I started to study at around 12 when I 117 00:07:19,790 --> 00:07:14,060 was when I was 12 years old the world 118 00:07:22,909 --> 00:07:19,800 now I am has written about the five six 119 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:22,919 books about this and the first time that 120 00:07:33,230 --> 00:07:28,050 I heard about the coyame incident was in 121 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:33,240 the end of the night at that time I I 122 00:07:40,909 --> 00:07:36,690 heard some Mexican researches that live 123 00:07:44,129 --> 00:07:40,919 in Chihuahua Mexico and they said that 124 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:44,139 something happened in 125 00:07:57,580 --> 00:07:53,449 1974 but until no and and ruined what 126 00:08:01,360 --> 00:07:57,590 more interested in this case I know that 127 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:01,370 something really had happened and well I 128 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:07,370 started to look of the if I can find 129 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:11,380 some news in the newspaper of the 130 00:08:19,529 --> 00:08:15,290 abductee you and I fall and I found some 131 00:08:23,379 --> 00:08:19,539 strange not is that I will comment 132 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:23,389 during your show and again thank you 133 00:08:27,719 --> 00:08:25,250 very much for this opportunity 134 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:27,729 oh absolutely thank you and of course 135 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:31,250 last but not least the the witness to 136 00:08:36,510 --> 00:08:33,110 the case we've got that Tony Ramirez 137 00:08:39,130 --> 00:08:36,520 here and Tony you witnessed this and 138 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:39,140 tell us a little bit about how these 139 00:08:42,450 --> 00:08:41,210 guys found you and of course welcome to 140 00:08:45,430 --> 00:08:42,460 the show 141 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:45,440 well thank you very much and I'm honored 142 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:46,160 to be on your show 143 00:09:00,180 --> 00:08:52,610 and basically you know I didn't witness 144 00:09:04,180 --> 00:09:00,190 the crack the first basically the way I 145 00:09:07,090 --> 00:09:04,190 ran into Rubin and knowing were was I 146 00:09:10,449 --> 00:09:07,100 was listening to do a radio show called 147 00:09:12,820 --> 00:09:10,459 coast to coast and row avid listener of 148 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:12,830 that program I've always been into UFOs 149 00:09:20,199 --> 00:09:17,450 and stuff like that so I was listening 150 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:20,209 to the show and and they were talking 151 00:09:28,540 --> 00:09:23,570 about the koyama incident and I recall 152 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:28,550 then the year that had happened and and 153 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:31,330 I went wow you know my parents and I 154 00:09:41,190 --> 00:09:36,230 along with my my brothers as far as I 155 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:41,200 can remember back went to coyame every 156 00:09:46,900 --> 00:09:45,110 as soon as we got out of school within a 157 00:09:52,329 --> 00:09:46,910 couple of days we were on the road and 158 00:09:55,420 --> 00:09:52,339 we spent the entire summer there and you 159 00:09:57,180 --> 00:09:55,430 know so it brought back that memory and 160 00:09:58,890 --> 00:09:57,190 not that I'd forgotten about it 161 00:10:02,430 --> 00:09:58,900 just you know I just went on with my 162 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:02,440 life after the incident but so I'm 163 00:10:07,230 --> 00:10:05,290 listening to them and and I went poyomi 164 00:10:11,970 --> 00:10:07,240 man that's what we're from you know what 165 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:11,980 do they bring him out for you know I and 166 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:14,110 then you know so I called the show and I 167 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:16,330 got in contact with them I told him my 168 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:19,450 story on the show and and that's how I 169 00:10:24,450 --> 00:10:22,330 got started so basically it was what 170 00:10:26,670 --> 00:10:24,460 family lived in the area so you went 171 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:26,680 back during the summer and it hung out 172 00:10:32,430 --> 00:10:28,210 is that that basically it or is it like 173 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:32,440 a tourist area or our family has a 174 00:10:38,910 --> 00:10:34,510 history there you know we we have a 175 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:38,920 ranch there that's called in Salcido 176 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:43,870 and so it's owned by my cousins now but 177 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:45,970 it originally belonged to my grandfather 178 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:50,170 and my father was raised there at the 179 00:10:58,950 --> 00:10:54,690 ranch you know he used to days to sell 180 00:11:01,710 --> 00:10:58,960 cheese called us ah that'll they make it 181 00:11:04,050 --> 00:11:01,720 at the ranch and then you know my dad 182 00:11:06,150 --> 00:11:04,060 would go to koyama and salad you know 183 00:11:07,770 --> 00:11:06,160 they'd anytime something happened they 184 00:11:09,750 --> 00:11:07,780 were at for yelling but you know 185 00:11:13,650 --> 00:11:09,760 basically we had family in Qayamat and 186 00:11:17,070 --> 00:11:13,660 then on the ranches and chihuahua part 187 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:17,080 is so yeah we were always there during 188 00:11:23,310 --> 00:11:19,570 the summers and I was just you know I'd 189 00:11:26,010 --> 00:11:23,320 I was just there enjoying it as a kid as 190 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:26,020 far back as I can remember you know we 191 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:30,130 went to oh yeah got it 192 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:35,050 and noe and Reuben and Carlos how did 193 00:11:38,910 --> 00:11:37,330 you find out about this case yeah I go 194 00:11:42,329 --> 00:11:38,920 ahead no absolutely how did you find out 195 00:11:45,540 --> 00:11:42,339 about this case as I mentioned earlier I 196 00:11:49,380 --> 00:11:45,550 was writing a book kind of collecting a 197 00:11:51,870 --> 00:11:49,390 lot of UFO stories from Texas I had 198 00:11:53,990 --> 00:11:51,880 written some books on local history and 199 00:11:56,850 --> 00:11:54,000 I had always been fascinated by the 200 00:11:58,290 --> 00:11:56,860 paranormal dating back to my childhood 201 00:12:00,540 --> 00:11:58,300 in the 60s 202 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:00,550 I remember reading lots of books by 203 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:04,570 Frank Edwards and many of the big 204 00:12:10,269 --> 00:12:07,810 paranormal authors later on Erich von 205 00:12:13,030 --> 00:12:10,279 däniken and his Chariots of the Gods 206 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:13,040 so that's something that I was always 207 00:12:21,999 --> 00:12:19,910 fascinated by and how did you fight get 208 00:12:33,910 --> 00:12:22,009 your first tip that something happened 209 00:12:36,610 --> 00:12:33,920 in Co Yami hello hello so ok second back 210 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:36,620 I was it's a funny answer to your 211 00:12:43,389 --> 00:12:39,410 question how I first got wind of this 212 00:12:45,939 --> 00:12:43,399 particular case in 1934 I was doing I 213 00:12:47,769 --> 00:12:45,949 was compiling stories and doing library 214 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:47,779 research and then I came across a 215 00:12:57,460 --> 00:12:52,910 mention online of a document called the 216 00:13:00,160 --> 00:12:57,470 Deneb report denna de and EB it's a star 217 00:13:04,540 --> 00:13:00,170 system consolation we'll talk more about 218 00:13:11,379 --> 00:13:04,550 as a show goes on but the Deneb report 219 00:13:13,780 --> 00:13:11,389 was a top-secret document or purported 220 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:13,790 to be a top-secret document that was 221 00:13:22,150 --> 00:13:17,809 smuggled out from the US intelligence 222 00:13:25,809 --> 00:13:22,160 community that mentioned a crash 223 00:13:30,699 --> 00:13:25,819 retrieval recovery operation by the CIA 224 00:13:35,369 --> 00:13:30,709 of a downed flying saucer in the desert 225 00:13:37,990 --> 00:13:35,379 about 20 miles west of Candelaria Texas 226 00:13:42,009 --> 00:13:38,000 just on the other side of the Rio Grande 227 00:13:45,610 --> 00:13:42,019 River which is north of koyama the small 228 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:45,620 town of oilmen so I saw that became 229 00:13:52,299 --> 00:13:48,800 fascinated by and then coincidentally 230 00:13:55,449 --> 00:13:52,309 the History Channel had a program at 231 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:55,459 that time called the UFO FILES and I 232 00:14:00,879 --> 00:13:58,970 noticed when I was browsing through the 233 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:00,889 channel listings that they were going to 234 00:14:07,929 --> 00:14:06,230 talk about the koyama incident and one 235 00:14:10,090 --> 00:14:07,939 of the persons who was being interviewed 236 00:14:14,069 --> 00:14:10,100 for that show was a gentleman from San 237 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:14,079 Francisco area called mr. Ruben Uriarte 238 00:14:20,769 --> 00:14:16,730 so with that information in mind I 239 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:20,779 teamed into the show and it was amazing 240 00:14:25,060 --> 00:14:22,580 to hear 241 00:14:28,510 --> 00:14:25,070 we'll be telling the story in great 242 00:14:30,810 --> 00:14:28,520 detail as tonight's show develops but 243 00:14:34,410 --> 00:14:30,820 when I first heard about it I was just 244 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:34,420 amazed and astounded so I immediately 245 00:14:39,250 --> 00:14:36,890 took note of all the persons who were 246 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:39,260 interviewed during that in that segment 247 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:43,970 in that History Channel show UFO FILES 248 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:48,110 show and one of the the people was Ruben 249 00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:49,490 who died out there 250 00:14:55,660 --> 00:14:51,920 our get our other guest tonight and he 251 00:14:57,940 --> 00:14:55,670 contacted me right away and although 252 00:15:01,090 --> 00:14:57,950 originally I had envisioned writing a 253 00:15:04,210 --> 00:15:01,100 chapter of a larger book eventually 254 00:15:06,220 --> 00:15:04,220 after talking to Ruben and the two of us 255 00:15:08,950 --> 00:15:06,230 working together for several weeks it 256 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:08,960 became clear that there was enough 257 00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:11,210 material for an entire book which ended 258 00:15:19,090 --> 00:15:15,710 up being a 300 plus page book which we 259 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:19,100 called Mexico's Roswell the Chihuahua 260 00:15:25,690 --> 00:15:23,330 UFO crash which we released in 2007 so 261 00:15:30,550 --> 00:15:25,700 it's been 12 years since the release of 262 00:15:32,410 --> 00:15:30,560 our book and and that's how that's how 263 00:15:34,660 --> 00:15:32,420 the story developed then other people 264 00:15:37,210 --> 00:15:34,670 became involved when we went we made 265 00:15:41,260 --> 00:15:37,220 several trips down to Qayamat Chihuahua 266 00:15:43,330 --> 00:15:41,270 and we talked to a lot of the 267 00:15:46,210 --> 00:15:43,340 townspeople we interviewed other 268 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:46,220 researchers such as Carlos Guzman to see 269 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:49,610 if they could shed additional light on 270 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:53,510 this rather fascinating case and then 271 00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:56,330 interestingly enough as we'll talk about 272 00:16:00,670 --> 00:15:58,490 more later when we get to that part of 273 00:16:03,490 --> 00:16:00,680 the story we found some witnesses on the 274 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:03,500 Texas side at the time that this 275 00:16:10,660 --> 00:16:07,010 incident happened who saw several of the 276 00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:10,670 events that are part of the narrative of 277 00:16:18,580 --> 00:16:13,760 the incident itself so on the Texas side 278 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:18,590 in 1974 we found two eyewitnesses to the 279 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:22,310 events of the of the crash and retrieval 280 00:16:28,780 --> 00:16:25,490 so that's basically just a quick 281 00:16:31,210 --> 00:16:28,790 timeline without you know specific 282 00:16:33,010 --> 00:16:31,220 details which we will get into shortly 283 00:16:35,740 --> 00:16:33,020 yeah let's say let's get into those 284 00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:35,750 details I tell us about this incident 285 00:16:42,590 --> 00:16:36,270 and 286 00:16:45,290 --> 00:16:42,600 let's start with you there yeah can you 287 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:45,300 hear me here yep you're just fine okay 288 00:16:54,170 --> 00:16:49,490 yeah as know he was mentioned he saw the 289 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:54,180 documentary in regards to Mexico's 290 00:16:59,830 --> 00:16:56,610 Roswell effect that was the title of the 291 00:17:02,270 --> 00:16:59,840 documentary and I was working with 292 00:17:04,460 --> 00:17:02,280 several producers from the History 293 00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:04,470 Channel they had contacted me and they 294 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:09,360 wanted to do a story on UFOs in Mexico 295 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:11,970 and network with a number of the Mex 296 00:17:17,660 --> 00:17:15,810 investigators but one thing I did not 297 00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:17,670 know was that they were doing a series 298 00:17:22,850 --> 00:17:20,280 of crash retrievals on crash retrievals 299 00:17:25,449 --> 00:17:22,860 and and they had a number of other 300 00:17:29,420 --> 00:17:25,459 countries as well like Russia's Roswell 301 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:29,430 China's Roswell etcetera and of course 302 00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:32,250 Mexico's Roswell and when they aired 303 00:17:38,180 --> 00:17:35,640 that that's when and I was very 304 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:38,190 fortunate to be a part of this because 305 00:17:44,780 --> 00:17:41,510 they were looking at having other 306 00:17:46,940 --> 00:17:44,790 researchers that to do the narration but 307 00:17:49,250 --> 00:17:46,950 no no one was available until they asked 308 00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:49,260 me hey Ruben would you be willing to 309 00:17:55,790 --> 00:17:51,840 narrate their ensure your your thoughts 310 00:17:58,550 --> 00:17:55,800 and I said sure and that's how we 311 00:17:59,660 --> 00:17:58,560 connected but noe and I and then as he 312 00:18:02,270 --> 00:17:59,670 had mentioned we've been collaborating 313 00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:02,280 on the number of other crash retrievals 314 00:18:08,690 --> 00:18:05,790 stories and other historical UFO cases 315 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:08,700 and then we're also been very blessed 316 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:12,330 with connecting with with researchers 317 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:17,850 like Carlos Guzman and and so in he's he 318 00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:21,120 has a vast network and connections as 319 00:18:25,970 --> 00:18:23,760 well so it's been it's been quite a 320 00:18:29,060 --> 00:18:25,980 quite a great experience and of course 321 00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:29,070 meeting Tony yeah which we'll go into 322 00:18:38,090 --> 00:18:35,040 into depth the oh no he had mentioned 323 00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:38,100 he's in that either you or I will talk 324 00:18:44,270 --> 00:18:42,360 about the UFO incident yeah let's say it 325 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:44,280 let's get into all that whoever wants to 326 00:18:48,860 --> 00:18:46,230 start and tell us about what actually 327 00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:51,150 okay Ruben I'm gonna I'm gonna get 328 00:18:57,410 --> 00:18:53,110 started and then you can fill in the 329 00:19:01,850 --> 00:18:57,420 details or step in if I forget your name 330 00:19:05,610 --> 00:19:01,860 so we're talking about August 25th 1974 331 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:05,620 the evening of it was getting to be 332 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:09,130 around 9 9 p.m. central time in Texas 333 00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:14,080 and suddenly the radar screens at the 334 00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:16,480 Naval Air Station in Corpus Christi 335 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:19,840 Texas that's on the Gulf Coast it's 336 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:22,570 south of Houston it's right along the 337 00:19:26,820 --> 00:19:24,250 water's edge 338 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:26,830 so the radar screens at the Naval Air 339 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:29,200 Station in Corpus Christi suddenly light 340 00:19:35,630 --> 00:19:31,930 up with a strange object that was 341 00:19:38,790 --> 00:19:35,640 inbound to Texas from the Gulf of Mexico 342 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:38,800 at a very high speed over 2,000 miles 343 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:43,090 per hour and at a very high altitude the 344 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:48,510 frantic radar operators immediately 345 00:19:53,910 --> 00:19:52,450 sounded the alert thinking that you know 346 00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:53,920 there were only a limited number of 347 00:20:00,570 --> 00:19:56,080 possibilities of what this object could 348 00:20:04,260 --> 00:20:00,580 be and the most worrisome being that it 349 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:04,270 was some kind of inbound ICBM Corpus 350 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:06,850 Christi is a major port town a major 351 00:20:14,130 --> 00:20:09,670 port city in Texas a lot of shipping 352 00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,140 goes in and out so it was more likely 353 00:20:19,770 --> 00:20:16,720 than not a primary target of the 354 00:20:25,860 --> 00:20:19,780 Russians of the Soviet Union at that 355 00:20:27,690 --> 00:20:25,870 time in 74 and so that would explain why 356 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:27,700 there was a lot of concern when this 357 00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:30,250 object was seen inbound on the radar 358 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,200 screens as these guys watched the object 359 00:20:39,870 --> 00:20:37,600 suddenly made a 90-degree angle turned 360 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:39,880 to the south so in other words it was 361 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:42,250 inbound more or less traveling to the 362 00:20:48,990 --> 00:20:45,370 west toward the Texas coast and then 363 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:49,000 suddenly Zig zagged and made a 90-degree 364 00:20:55,260 --> 00:20:52,210 angle turn heading south now south in 365 00:20:58,380 --> 00:20:55,270 the Gulf of Mexico still a hundred miles 366 00:21:00,330 --> 00:20:58,390 or so off the Texas coast so it was 367 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:00,340 essentially skirting the Texas coast 368 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:01,650 until got down 369 00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,530 around Brownsville which is near where I 370 00:21:10,010 --> 00:21:07,200 live I live in the extreme southern part 371 00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:10,020 of Texas and then suddenly it made 372 00:21:15,770 --> 00:21:13,020 another 90-degree angle turn into 373 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:15,780 northern Mexico just just past 374 00:21:21,670 --> 00:21:18,690 Brownsville turned into northern Mexico 375 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:21,680 that's an extremely sparsely populated 376 00:21:27,740 --> 00:21:25,110 area of Mexico it's an area of Mexico 377 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,750 that over the the years has gotten hit 378 00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:30,480 by a lot of major hurricanes there's not 379 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:33,630 a lot a large population center anywhere 380 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:36,330 around there so then the interesting 381 00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:39,510 thing is this object travel it slowed 382 00:21:47,150 --> 00:21:44,400 down and descended and it followed more 383 00:21:49,850 --> 00:21:47,160 or less the course of the Rio Grande 384 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:49,860 River but on the south side of the 385 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:53,790 texas-mexico border so it was you know 386 00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:55,170 we're going to not have looked at the 387 00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:58,200 map of this object zigzagging all over 388 00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:01,020 the map after it was first spotted and 389 00:22:05,420 --> 00:22:03,480 we noticed one thing that's very 390 00:22:07,790 --> 00:22:05,430 apparent is that it seemed to be 391 00:22:12,050 --> 00:22:07,800 avoiding all the larger a large 392 00:22:15,740 --> 00:22:12,060 metropolitan order population centers 393 00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:15,750 both in Texas and northern Mexico so and 394 00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:17,940 just a joke just to jump in it's a 395 00:22:23,300 --> 00:22:21,000 roughly maintaining this 2,000 mile an 396 00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,310 hour speed which is roughly Mach 3 I 397 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:25,080 mean that there that's a really quick 398 00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:29,610 accredit it came down to about 12 1212 399 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:34,440 50 miles per hour and it it came down an 400 00:22:40,940 --> 00:22:38,400 altitude quite a bit I don't remember 401 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:40,950 exactly I think we were at around 402 00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:45,810 between 40 and 50 thousand feet right 403 00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:47,940 before the incident that we're about to 404 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:50,220 describe happen but it was descending 405 00:22:58,460 --> 00:22:55,050 and it was slowing down so for those of 406 00:23:00,410 --> 00:22:58,470 you who aren't familiar with the 407 00:23:02,780 --> 00:23:00,420 southern part of Texas there's a number 408 00:23:07,460 --> 00:23:02,790 of military installations all along the 409 00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:07,470 texas-mexico border and throughout the 410 00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:10,020 state of Texas San Antonio which is kind 411 00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:12,060 of in the center dia graphical center of 412 00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:13,480 the state has 413 00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:17,350 five or six major military bases and 414 00:23:22,169 --> 00:23:20,529 then there are bases all around along 415 00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:22,179 the texas-mexico border including 416 00:23:35,970 --> 00:23:31,379 the big Air Force Base in El Paso which 417 00:23:39,870 --> 00:23:35,980 we'll talk about more bliss not not Air 418 00:23:42,930 --> 00:23:39,880 Force but army so all of these military 419 00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:42,940 bases became involved in tracking this 420 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:45,279 thing as it skirted the Rio Grande River 421 00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:46,870 on the Mexican side 422 00:23:55,230 --> 00:23:52,720 headed north northwest when suddenly at 423 00:24:00,000 --> 00:23:55,240 the same time it's going to be around 424 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:00,010 10:00 p.m. in Texas and a small aircraft 425 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:02,529 which we think had two occupants the 426 00:24:10,529 --> 00:24:06,130 pilot and one other person took off from 427 00:24:13,529 --> 00:24:10,539 El Paso International Airport ELP and 428 00:24:17,009 --> 00:24:13,539 was headed south toward Mexico City 429 00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:17,019 well according to our analysis of flight 430 00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:20,230 paths and all that at that time it was 431 00:24:27,810 --> 00:24:23,220 common for planes headed from El Paso to 432 00:24:31,169 --> 00:24:27,820 Mexico City to take the route that we 433 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:31,179 think was what the plane was taking when 434 00:24:36,539 --> 00:24:34,090 it collided with this object so the 435 00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:36,549 collision between the small plane and a 436 00:24:41,820 --> 00:24:37,990 very fast-moving 437 00:24:46,139 --> 00:24:41,830 UFO which by this time had descended 438 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:46,149 quite low to where it came into the 439 00:24:51,779 --> 00:24:48,490 flight path of the oncoming plane and 440 00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:51,789 the fiery collision the fireball was 441 00:25:01,220 --> 00:24:56,799 seen over the skies of coyame Chihuahua 442 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:01,230 Mexico right along the Texas border and 443 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:04,510 that time was around 10:30 p.m. Texas 444 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:07,750 time if I can jump in and ask a real toy 445 00:25:12,899 --> 00:25:10,210 real quick question how would did you 446 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:12,909 find out that that this object was being 447 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:14,970 tracked on radar 448 00:25:21,210 --> 00:25:18,850 okay that gets back to the Deneb report 449 00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:21,220 which we're going to have more to say 450 00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,620 about it appears to have been the work 451 00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,320 of a group of military insiders who are 452 00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:28,480 collecting information on major UFO 453 00:25:35,070 --> 00:25:31,600 cases and worse smuggling that 454 00:25:39,330 --> 00:25:35,080 information out from the secret files 455 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:39,340 that the US government maintains so the 456 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:41,950 denaburg port tells us that all of this 457 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:45,010 was being tracked and was being followed 458 00:25:51,030 --> 00:25:48,850 and then it also tells us what happens 459 00:25:51,810 --> 00:25:51,040 next because the debris from both the 460 00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:51,820 craft 461 00:25:56,670 --> 00:25:53,830 well actually the debris from the plane 462 00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:56,680 rained down to the desert below it was 463 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:00,640 all in small pieces but the ship the UFO 464 00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:03,910 itself crash-landed down in the desert 465 00:26:10,910 --> 00:26:08,590 below in a fairly intact condition by 466 00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:10,920 the time the retrieval teams got there 467 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:15,100 there were no sign of survivors there 468 00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:19,810 was no sign of entities beings of any 469 00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,990 kind associated with the UFO however 470 00:26:33,870 --> 00:26:25,120 this is where Tony Ramirez a story 471 00:26:37,170 --> 00:26:33,880 becomes incredibly important because he 472 00:26:38,970 --> 00:26:37,180 had an encounter at the time shortly 473 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:38,980 after the crash happened he had an 474 00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:43,410 entity encounter in Toyama mass so one 475 00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:46,030 immediately makes the association with 476 00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:48,190 between this crash and the entities that 477 00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:51,430 he saw as well here they are on but yeah 478 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:53,590 let's go over to that but that one last 479 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:55,810 question do we know what happened with 480 00:27:00,300 --> 00:26:58,090 it I'm assuming this is a private plane 481 00:27:03,150 --> 00:27:00,310 that based on the illustration overview 482 00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:03,160 book this is a private plane that was 483 00:27:13,470 --> 00:27:07,150 headed as I said from El Paso to Mexico 484 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:13,480 City and we have both Carlos Guzman and 485 00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:16,450 well not just Carlos but other Mexican 486 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:19,150 UFO investigators Ruben and I have all 487 00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:21,730 been on the track for years trying to 488 00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:23,920 determine who was in that plane but we 489 00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,160 have unfortunately been unable to find 490 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:28,960 any information about it it's been 491 00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,890 expunged or hidden from view removed 492 00:27:37,169 --> 00:27:34,960 where we're not completely sure what 493 00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:37,179 happened but it's we have not had any 494 00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:41,620 success though this Reuben if I could 495 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:46,660 just also add to what know he was had 496 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:49,570 shared with us one of the interesting 497 00:27:55,770 --> 00:27:52,210 parts of this investigation was that 498 00:28:00,000 --> 00:27:55,780 during the time of the UFO crash it was 499 00:28:01,890 --> 00:28:00,010 the next day that the Mexican military 500 00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:01,900 was involved in the search and rescue 501 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:06,100 and he found this disc as though he had 502 00:28:10,529 --> 00:28:08,830 mentioned can you hear me there right 503 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:10,539 now you sound great you sound fantastic 504 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:16,570 keep going okay and so as as know he had 505 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:21,850 mentioned throughout throughout the this 506 00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:24,190 period that craft was being monitored 507 00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:28,960 and so the US military had sent 508 00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:31,870 surveillance airplanes and spy 509 00:28:37,529 --> 00:28:33,940 satellites to focus on what was 510 00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:37,539 happening and the Mexican military had a 511 00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:41,679 Mexican truck convoy to retrieve the UFO 512 00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:44,169 it was approximately it was small it was 513 00:28:48,289 --> 00:28:46,390 a small disc there was approximately 16 514 00:28:54,690 --> 00:28:48,299 feet diameter and about five feet in 515 00:28:57,779 --> 00:28:54,700 thickness and I so they the Mexican 516 00:29:00,840 --> 00:28:57,789 soldiers were able to put the craft on 517 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:00,850 the truck and they were departing in a 518 00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:07,210 convoy and then the surveillance plane 519 00:29:14,850 --> 00:29:11,200 notice that the convoy had stopped and 520 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:14,860 as they were getting closer to with 521 00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:17,770 their cameras they were able to see that 522 00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,380 all the soldiers Mexican soldiers were 523 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:23,440 laying on the ground so immediately 524 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:27,010 there was a US military helicopter team 525 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:30,250 that flew out of Fort Bliss that flew 526 00:29:33,539 --> 00:29:31,480 there were about proximately four 527 00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:33,549 helicopters see through they flew from 528 00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:37,270 El Paso along the border and he entered 529 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:40,750 into Mexican airspace in a little near 530 00:29:46,110 --> 00:29:44,410 town called and ilaria so and the other 531 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:46,120 thing was that the American soldiers 532 00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:48,930 were wearing protective biological suits 533 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:51,430 so the US team arrived and they 534 00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:53,530 discovered that all the Mexican soldiers 535 00:30:03,450 --> 00:29:58,480 were dead so the they were able to 536 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:03,460 gather the at the the debris but they 537 00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:06,370 also attached the UFO to a very large 538 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:09,070 giant helicopter known as a sea stallion 539 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:12,910 and it was Rubin dad just to jump in 540 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:14,770 really quick how many Mexican soldiers 541 00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:17,170 are we talking about here but no I think 542 00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:20,920 we had estimated maybe around possibly a 543 00:30:29,550 --> 00:30:24,670 team of 24 was it but you either a dozen 544 00:30:32,850 --> 00:30:29,560 or two dozen at the at the most but yeah 545 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:32,860 it was characteristic of deployments at 546 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:36,670 that time to send out about 20 somewhere 547 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:41,530 between 20 and 30 men out of that that 548 00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:45,310 base the nearest base would have been in 549 00:30:52,170 --> 00:30:48,780 Chihuahua City Mexican Air Force Base 550 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:52,180 and what it was was such interesting 551 00:30:58,410 --> 00:30:54,130 again all this information is coming out 552 00:31:02,430 --> 00:30:58,420 of the Deneb report and so they took the 553 00:31:04,110 --> 00:31:02,440 saucer over to an area known as the 554 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:04,120 Davis Mountains and that's located right 555 00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:07,690 there in West Texas and what does what 556 00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:09,430 the US soldiers did was they gathered 557 00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:11,950 all the dead bodies and all the vehicles 558 00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:16,120 and they destroyed them we think it was 559 00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:19,630 probably due to 14 because the death of 560 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:22,030 the Mexican soldiers may have been 561 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:25,690 caused by a virus we've in the reason 562 00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:28,510 why we say that is that in the report 563 00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:31,060 they mentioned that the convoy of trucks 564 00:31:35,970 --> 00:31:33,820 they transported the disc into Atlanta 565 00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:35,980 Georgia and we were wondering what's in 566 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:38,830 Atlanta Georgia and then we then we we 567 00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:40,780 figure that that is the headquarters of 568 00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:44,700 the agency for Disease Control or CDC 569 00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:48,220 exactly and so we an order to another 570 00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:50,380 military base but as you know they are 571 00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:54,520 really equipped with specialized 572 00:32:00,240 --> 00:31:57,700 like that study these these different 573 00:32:02,190 --> 00:32:00,250 types of virus deadly viruses throughout 574 00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:02,200 the world so we think that's it's all 575 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:04,870 part of that whole quarantine aspect of 576 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:07,450 it and now this is a really interesting 577 00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:10,570 time frame to you're talking August of 578 00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:13,390 74 this is and lots going on in the Gulf 579 00:32:19,260 --> 00:32:16,600 because this is maybe within a year of 580 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:19,270 the pascagoula abduction case I don't 581 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:21,130 know how from you you guys are with that 582 00:32:25,650 --> 00:32:23,230 but that was a huge case back in those 583 00:32:29,670 --> 00:32:25,660 days so lots going on and the Gulf is a 584 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:29,680 long bid a very interesting place as far 585 00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:34,690 as UFO sightings so what one of our main 586 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:39,660 objectives was to go out to coyame and 587 00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:42,910 and see we could find any witnesses and 588 00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:45,820 we went into the smuggle into the town 589 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:48,880 of coyame and then to the outskirts into 590 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:53,290 these areas these ranches that Tony will 591 00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:55,810 talk about his ranch or a he dose I 592 00:33:02,970 --> 00:32:59,880 believe is the term and so we began in 593 00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:02,980 talking to people and then what was 594 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:04,740 really interesting was we also 595 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:08,320 interviewed people from the US side of 596 00:33:14,940 --> 00:33:11,170 the border and of course the connection 597 00:33:17,490 --> 00:33:14,950 with Tony's experience yeah let's say 598 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:17,500 let's bring Tony in and tell us your 599 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:19,290 story Tony 600 00:33:28,890 --> 00:33:26,290 well again I I I recall you know we as 601 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:28,900 far as I can remember we we always went 602 00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:32,320 to going on it during the summer my 603 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:36,280 family is from coyame Chihuahua my 604 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:40,570 family back in those days I still have a 605 00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:46,320 ranch it's it's called and Salcido and 606 00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:49,240 you know what what kind of triggered my 607 00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:52,540 attention was that you know one day I 608 00:33:59,640 --> 00:33:56,620 was watching I believe it was a History 609 00:34:05,340 --> 00:33:59,650 Channel I was I think in the mid 90s or 610 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:05,350 so and the story or the 611 00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:08,930 the documentary about oh yeah III 612 00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:11,030 remember just hearing the word call 613 00:34:15,910 --> 00:34:11,720 yamanami 614 00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:15,920 well what's going on here you know and I 615 00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:17,990 you know it's just nothing ever happens 616 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:19,990 in koyama it's a real small town 617 00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:23,530 everybody knew each other and you know 618 00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,070 just slows just you know be it was just 619 00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:30,320 fun to be there as far as I was 620 00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:34,040 concerned as as a youth and but what 621 00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:36,110 triggered my attention was that you know 622 00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:39,620 they said it happened in 1974 and I went 623 00:34:48,610 --> 00:34:46,180 I was oh they're around that time and 624 00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,620 you know that that that got everything 625 00:34:58,110 --> 00:34:51,440 rolling and basically about what I'll do 626 00:35:02,620 --> 00:34:58,120 is I'll tell my story back in 1974 so I 627 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:02,630 we went to Coriana on vacation and we 628 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:04,310 basically spent the whole summer there 629 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:08,810 and you know along with doing all the 630 00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:12,770 you know things that kids do my thing 631 00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:15,350 was riding horses I loved riding horses 632 00:35:22,090 --> 00:35:20,180 so that morning or that particular day I 633 00:35:25,180 --> 00:35:22,100 don't you know I don't remember exactly 634 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:25,190 what day it was but I borrowed a horse 635 00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:29,690 from from an uncle and early in the 636 00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:33,710 morning and you know just he saddled it 637 00:35:38,350 --> 00:35:36,380 up for me and my member my mom making me 638 00:35:41,110 --> 00:35:38,360 at lunch because I what I would do is 639 00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:41,120 just right around the town I didn't go 640 00:35:45,580 --> 00:35:43,640 out into the desert or anything you know 641 00:35:50,410 --> 00:35:45,590 I just listened to my mom and she said 642 00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,420 just just hang around the town and so 643 00:35:57,660 --> 00:35:52,400 yeah you know I I rode the horse all day 644 00:36:01,930 --> 00:35:57,670 long and then it finally it got dark and 645 00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:01,940 I took the horse back to my my uncle's 646 00:36:07,210 --> 00:36:05,270 house I you know as I was to walk around 647 00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:07,220 I mean there's tarantulas there's all 648 00:36:13,890 --> 00:36:09,950 kinds of stuff so so basically I just 649 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:13,900 tied the horse to the to the fence 650 00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:17,930 house and went to my aunt my my other 651 00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:18,460 uncle 652 00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:20,680 house where we were staying at the time 653 00:36:27,150 --> 00:36:25,720 and he had a little store and it was you 654 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:27,160 know just across the street from the 655 00:36:36,990 --> 00:36:33,010 Placita and and across the street from 656 00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:37,000 the the main building or the most 657 00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:41,740 luminous about and so I went home and 658 00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:44,260 and everybody just you know sitting 659 00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,240 around eating and having dinner and 660 00:36:55,530 --> 00:36:51,040 shortly thereafter my uncle who I 661 00:36:58,260 --> 00:36:55,540 borrowed a horse from came over and he 662 00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,270 was he was really upset you know said 663 00:37:01,620 --> 00:36:59,920 hey you don't just tie the horse you 664 00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:01,630 know the horses have to eat they have to 665 00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:03,160 drink water you have to take the saddle 666 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:07,000 off and so my dad got upset and he made 667 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:11,410 me go and take care of the horse and one 668 00:37:14,339 --> 00:37:12,730 of the things that I had to do was go 669 00:37:17,849 --> 00:37:14,349 cut the hay 670 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:17,859 out in the field now this this happened 671 00:37:26,970 --> 00:37:22,450 Koriyama the the town itself so there's 672 00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:26,980 there's a boat behind the town just to 673 00:37:33,570 --> 00:37:29,260 the north of the town there's a church 674 00:37:36,030 --> 00:37:33,580 there and it leads to the swimming pool 675 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:36,040 it's a public pool they've had that 676 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:39,930 there for as far as I can remember and 677 00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:46,330 the the hay was was right across a 678 00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:49,000 little irrigation ditch so I had to jump 679 00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,190 over the ditch and then go to the where 680 00:37:58,290 --> 00:37:53,680 the hay was and then just with an eye I 681 00:37:59,420 --> 00:37:58,300 would ask me about 30 to 40 feet maybe 682 00:38:05,700 --> 00:37:59,430 50 feet 683 00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:05,710 there was a corn stalks so you know I 684 00:38:11,609 --> 00:38:09,280 went over there and I had the the I 685 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:11,619 don't remember what you call the the 686 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:14,410 instrument to cut the hay with but I had 687 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:16,690 a flashlight and I had that instrument 688 00:38:22,530 --> 00:38:18,730 so you know I started gathering up the 689 00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:22,540 hay and cutting it and right at that 690 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:29,380 point I hear something rustling the corn 691 00:38:39,089 --> 00:38:35,309 now it was it was a clear bright night 692 00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:39,099 that the moon was bright so it wasn't as 693 00:38:45,539 --> 00:38:43,630 low as you know real dark so I'm sitting 694 00:38:50,009 --> 00:38:45,549 there and I look up and I and I see 695 00:38:53,609 --> 00:38:50,019 something inside or within the corn 696 00:38:59,220 --> 00:38:53,619 stalks and it was all I could see were 697 00:39:02,549 --> 00:38:59,230 were to what I thought back then word 698 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:02,559 work eyes but they weren't very high off 699 00:39:09,509 --> 00:39:04,930 the ground and I and I had that caught 700 00:39:13,470 --> 00:39:09,519 my attention and then I stood up and as 701 00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:13,480 I stood up this little now it you know I 702 00:39:19,529 --> 00:39:16,569 have to say it was an entity but it 703 00:39:24,329 --> 00:39:19,539 looked like a tiny person it could have 704 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:24,339 been more than three feet tall you know 705 00:39:29,849 --> 00:39:26,410 it stepped out of the the cornfield and 706 00:39:34,799 --> 00:39:29,859 and looked at me or its attention was 707 00:39:36,839 --> 00:39:34,809 what I thought was toward me and I just 708 00:39:40,769 --> 00:39:36,849 remember the the hair standing at the 709 00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,779 back of my neck and you know I didn't 710 00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:42,880 know what to do and I I remember shaking 711 00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:49,180 it just scared me to the core and about 712 00:39:58,589 --> 00:39:54,910 that point it started walking to my left 713 00:40:02,339 --> 00:39:58,599 and almost as it was walking towards the 714 00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:02,349 pool area and I just dropped everything 715 00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:06,670 I turned and I ran as fast as I could 716 00:40:14,759 --> 00:40:12,190 I remember my my younger brother and my 717 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:14,769 cousin one of my cousins 718 00:40:21,569 --> 00:40:18,880 I guess my my parents or my aunt or 719 00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:21,579 uncle sent them to make sure I was okay 720 00:40:28,349 --> 00:40:25,480 right right well they're walking they're 721 00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:28,359 walking up the road towards me and I was 722 00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:31,150 running I I just remember running past 723 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:35,049 them as fast as I could and ran back to 724 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:41,890 the to the house and I remember I was 725 00:40:45,509 --> 00:40:44,170 crying you know I just started crying 726 00:40:48,479 --> 00:40:45,519 and and I 727 00:40:49,859 --> 00:40:48,489 shaken up and I remember everybody 728 00:40:53,579 --> 00:40:49,869 saying what's wrong what's wrong and I 729 00:40:56,759 --> 00:40:53,589 and I couldn't I couldn't talk and I 730 00:40:58,949 --> 00:40:56,769 remember my aunt giving me a glass of 731 00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,959 water with I remember her pretty putting 732 00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:01,359 a lot of sugar in it I don't know I 733 00:41:06,029 --> 00:41:03,819 don't know why he did that but they gave 734 00:41:11,069 --> 00:41:06,039 it to me and I seemed to settle me too 735 00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:11,079 now and then I told the story and and 736 00:41:18,899 --> 00:41:13,569 they all said huh well see that's what 737 00:41:22,709 --> 00:41:18,909 you get you know so it was always a 738 00:41:24,899 --> 00:41:22,719 little table yeah bleep oh and well 739 00:41:28,109 --> 00:41:24,909 that's you know I I thought you know 740 00:41:31,169 --> 00:41:28,119 this is this is my religious turn around 741 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:31,179 here yeah right you know as I said maril 742 00:41:39,509 --> 00:41:36,249 yeah Tony yeah real quick how old were 743 00:41:42,329 --> 00:41:39,519 you at this point I was about 15 years 744 00:41:46,649 --> 00:41:42,339 old okay okay so yeah all right okay 745 00:41:48,919 --> 00:41:46,659 okay so you know I you know you know 746 00:41:55,379 --> 00:41:48,929 back then I was kind of small for my age 747 00:42:00,269 --> 00:41:55,389 and stature and but you know I I get 748 00:42:03,449 --> 00:42:00,279 back to what I saw you know all I recall 749 00:42:06,329 --> 00:42:03,459 is that the way it the way it walked was 750 00:42:08,370 --> 00:42:06,339 was really awkward I I got the feeling 751 00:42:12,449 --> 00:42:08,380 that it was floating more than it was 752 00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:12,459 walking on solid ground and I say that 753 00:42:20,689 --> 00:42:16,689 because the way it walked was almost 754 00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:20,699 like a slumbering you know slow walk and 755 00:42:30,329 --> 00:42:25,119 and that's pretty much as far as I as I 756 00:42:35,759 --> 00:42:30,339 saw before I turned and ran right but I 757 00:42:37,889 --> 00:42:35,769 did did recall that it had you know that 758 00:42:40,349 --> 00:42:37,899 the eyes were were glow it was almost 759 00:42:43,859 --> 00:42:40,359 like a glowing almost like when you see 760 00:42:45,449 --> 00:42:43,869 a laser a red laser that's what they 761 00:42:47,909 --> 00:42:45,459 look like now they weren't lasers they 762 00:42:49,019 --> 00:42:47,919 were you know like coming out of them or 763 00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:49,029 anything like there they just kind of 764 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:54,609 glowed like a lace and it had it had a 765 00:43:01,229 --> 00:42:56,130 big 766 00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:01,239 kind of a teardrop shaped head the head 767 00:43:07,529 --> 00:43:04,209 was you know a lot bigger than what I 768 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:07,539 thought afterward would support would be 769 00:43:14,009 --> 00:43:11,170 supported by that such a small body but 770 00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:14,019 it had I I couldn't tell whether it had 771 00:43:20,249 --> 00:43:17,380 a mouth or nose or ears I just remember 772 00:43:23,969 --> 00:43:20,259 the eyes and then just above the eyes it 773 00:43:27,089 --> 00:43:23,979 had kind of like three horns that I 774 00:43:31,859 --> 00:43:27,099 wouldn't say horns or protrusions like 775 00:43:38,029 --> 00:43:31,869 lumps on the top of the head and after 776 00:43:43,019 --> 00:43:38,039 after I heard no ad Noah and Reuben on 777 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:43,029 close to coast you know I I remember 778 00:43:52,349 --> 00:43:46,209 seeing a another show or another program 779 00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:52,359 and Brazil were some girls came across 780 00:43:58,259 --> 00:43:54,809 an entity and they were supposedly uh 781 00:44:01,199 --> 00:43:58,269 you got a folk crash and there was a 782 00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:01,209 picture you know I was watching this 783 00:44:05,339 --> 00:44:03,640 documentary and I and I remember they 784 00:44:08,969 --> 00:44:05,349 showed a picture of this little entity 785 00:44:11,669 --> 00:44:08,979 that that they saw and right away I mean 786 00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:11,679 I just went that's what I saw that's 787 00:44:20,279 --> 00:44:16,689 exactly what I that and but anyway you 788 00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:20,289 know I my grand I recall my grandmother 789 00:44:24,689 --> 00:44:21,880 now we you know again my family has 790 00:44:29,069 --> 00:44:24,699 ranch it's called it s all Seto and it's 791 00:44:32,569 --> 00:44:29,079 a little just west of Koriyama I 792 00:44:37,289 --> 00:44:32,579 remember when we would go to the ranch 793 00:44:43,489 --> 00:44:37,299 we take the main road out of the out of 794 00:44:47,249 --> 00:44:43,499 the town and I was a dirt road and I 795 00:44:50,339 --> 00:44:47,259 meant it was maybe about a 45 minute 796 00:44:52,739 --> 00:44:50,349 drive from there I just remember when I 797 00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:52,749 was a kid it was a long drive and and we 798 00:44:58,289 --> 00:44:56,049 would stop on the way and use a bathroom 799 00:45:01,620 --> 00:44:58,299 do whatever you know just sometimes when 800 00:45:04,859 --> 00:45:01,630 it was raining we you know the Royals 801 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:04,869 would be flooded and you know my uncle 802 00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:08,570 had a one of those big 803 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:14,070 flatbed what the fence sake that I think 804 00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:16,290 they call it and you know but you know 805 00:45:21,860 --> 00:45:18,870 my dad had a station legend so we had to 806 00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,870 wait till the water slowed down and then 807 00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:24,000 we cross and we you know we jump out and 808 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:26,430 get in the water and just you know have 809 00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:27,930 a good time and then we'd go to the 810 00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:31,500 ranch and and that was it but yeah I 811 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:37,910 remember my grandmother talking about 812 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:41,010 the you know life in the ranch back in 813 00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:44,490 the day and she you know I told her 814 00:45:48,350 --> 00:45:47,220 about what happened and she says well 815 00:45:51,110 --> 00:45:48,360 yeah we used to see them all the time 816 00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,120 you know they get up real early in the 817 00:45:57,590 --> 00:45:53,520 morning I think at five o'clock in the 818 00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:57,600 morning my grandmother and and you know 819 00:46:01,400 --> 00:45:58,980 they they were it was like a little 820 00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:01,410 community you know all the sons and 821 00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:04,620 daughters lived it and I remember all 822 00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:06,900 the you know my mom and dad tell me yeah 823 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:10,020 that little Toby that little house right 824 00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:11,490 there yeah that was our house you know 825 00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:14,310 is all practically gone you know from 826 00:46:18,590 --> 00:46:16,590 the weather and everything but they all 827 00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:18,600 lived together on the ranch not in the 828 00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:21,300 main house but everybody had their own 829 00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:27,030 little Adobe house and my grandmother 830 00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:30,630 would get up earlier and start breakfast 831 00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:32,820 and her coffee and what have you and and 832 00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:34,790 she said that she would see these little 833 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:37,680 Diablito she said would run around and 834 00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:40,770 and hide you know they'd run from one 835 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:45,150 place to another and hide and she also 836 00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,610 mentioned that they would steal the salt 837 00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:49,680 licks that they would put out for the 838 00:46:59,180 --> 00:46:52,670 cows no they they did have a storage 839 00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:59,190 shed it was made out of Adobe and you 840 00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:00,420 know they had everything stored there 841 00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:04,020 and you know she she'd much I don't know 842 00:47:09,830 --> 00:47:08,280 why I remembered that but you know that 843 00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:09,840 was kind of something that that kind of 844 00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:11,880 stuck out of my mind about why would 845 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:15,180 they steal the salt lake's right right 846 00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:17,850 and you know that's that's that's 847 00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,540 basically would happen and live 848 00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:24,480 in Iran you know I I as I went on 849 00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:26,190 through my life you know I was always 850 00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:28,760 interested in UFOs I remember my 851 00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:31,980 freshman year in high school I was in 852 00:47:40,820 --> 00:47:36,630 the librarian and they had the book of 853 00:47:42,830 --> 00:47:40,830 the Roswell book I don't recall who who 854 00:47:44,780 --> 00:47:42,840 wrote it or anything but it caught my 855 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:44,790 eye and I got it I sat down I started 856 00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:46,650 reading it and and then I ended up 857 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:50,460 buying one I think at Salvation Army 858 00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:53,130 somewhere where my parents used to shop 859 00:47:59,660 --> 00:47:57,810 for stuff for us and and I kept that 860 00:48:03,380 --> 00:47:59,670 book and I would read it over and over 861 00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:03,390 and over again and and then you know of 862 00:48:12,020 --> 00:48:09,600 course later on as an adult I heard I 863 00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:12,030 was an avid listener to coast to coast 864 00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:17,040 and that's when I was listening and Noah 865 00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:19,859 and Reuben were were guests on the show 866 00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:21,270 and they were talking about the Corey 867 00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:23,790 I'm incident and you know I got on the 868 00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:25,560 phone and I just started battling over 869 00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:27,150 and over again trying to get through and 870 00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:29,730 I finally got through and you know they 871 00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:32,480 put me on air and I talked to them I 872 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:36,660 don't recall what was that said hey can 873 00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:38,810 you hold on and give us your information 874 00:48:43,250 --> 00:48:42,720 and we'll talk to you after a rest no 875 00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:43,260 problem 876 00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:44,910 and you know I gave them all my 877 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:47,910 information and and thus everything 878 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:52,770 started with at least my story yeah you 879 00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:55,170 had mentioned that the individual that 880 00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:57,180 you saw looked a good bit like the 881 00:49:01,070 --> 00:48:58,560 descriptions that came out of our 882 00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:01,080 Virginia and Brazil and I was able to 883 00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:03,060 gin up a few quick images and I have 884 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:04,740 them in here just that no ad there's 885 00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:06,570 some visuals that to help the folks out 886 00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:09,420 with an idea of what you're describing 887 00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:11,430 here with the red eyes and you said the 888 00:49:21,620 --> 00:49:14,240 three ridges on top of the head as well 889 00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:21,630 yes yes and and you know it it when when 890 00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:24,300 I read when I saw the documentary of 891 00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:27,060 that Brazil incident that it just I mean 892 00:49:32,060 --> 00:49:30,180 I did the same thing happened over again 893 00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:32,070 the you know the hair on the back of my 894 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:33,310 neck just 895 00:49:39,180 --> 00:49:36,450 Rene and I went wow you know I was there 896 00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:39,190 did this have something to do with that 897 00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:43,150 you know was you know maybe the crash 898 00:49:50,130 --> 00:49:44,980 happened and by the way you know just 899 00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:50,140 just to add a little extra segment to it 900 00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:53,460 you know when I was when we were there I 901 00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:56,470 don't I don't recall anybody talking I 902 00:50:00,600 --> 00:49:58,690 don't recall anybody mentioning the 903 00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:00,610 military or anything you know 904 00:50:09,630 --> 00:50:03,910 nine o'clock you know at night we were 905 00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:09,640 all know how sin bed ready to fall 906 00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:11,320 asleep you know back then they didn't 907 00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:13,120 have electricity would they had a 908 00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:15,720 generator that kept the lights on in the 909 00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:20,710 Placita yeah one phone and that was it 910 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:24,040 so you know if it happened sometime 911 00:50:29,850 --> 00:50:27,010 around 10 o'clock I don't think anybody 912 00:50:34,590 --> 00:50:29,860 would have known about it if there was a 913 00:50:37,050 --> 00:50:34,600 military growing through that I I doubt 914 00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:37,060 very much if the military actually went 915 00:50:41,070 --> 00:50:40,660 to the town because we would have known 916 00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:41,080 about it 917 00:50:44,670 --> 00:50:42,070 you know everybody would have been 918 00:50:47,250 --> 00:50:44,680 talking about it you know I mean I 919 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:47,260 remember I I think it was the year 920 00:50:54,510 --> 00:50:51,210 before maybe in 73 or so there was a 921 00:50:59,370 --> 00:50:54,520 stranger that that drowned in a in a 922 00:51:01,920 --> 00:50:59,380 river nearby koyama and they had his 923 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:01,930 body there you know it was just you know 924 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:03,370 but the whole town was there to see the 925 00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:06,250 Buffy right right right you know you 926 00:51:09,930 --> 00:51:07,870 know something like that happens 927 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:09,940 everybody was there or everybody was 928 00:51:13,830 --> 00:51:11,530 talking about it or knew about it I I 929 00:51:15,810 --> 00:51:13,840 really I don't remember anybody saying 930 00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:15,820 anything I hearing explosions or 931 00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:17,860 anything like you know the town was shut 932 00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:21,100 down at about nine o'clock so everybody 933 00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,840 would have been indoors and you know in 934 00:51:27,150 --> 00:51:24,880 bed or getting ready to go to sleep or 935 00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:27,160 what have you so and the way sound 936 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:29,260 travels when you're out in the you know 937 00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:31,090 out know those rural areas 938 00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:32,350 somebody's likely would have heard 939 00:51:39,590 --> 00:51:37,240 something too but yeah I mean but again 940 00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:39,600 you know I mean we were we were indoors 941 00:51:46,830 --> 00:51:44,110 even at night when they would have you 942 00:51:48,930 --> 00:51:46,840 know parties or fiestas or stuff 943 00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:48,940 like that and by the way koyama still 944 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:51,760 has them you know I think I think they 945 00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,090 have them twice a year but you know 946 00:52:00,330 --> 00:51:57,040 while we were there you know if 947 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:00,340 everybody was out late you know it would 948 00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:04,570 have been ten o'clock at the latest okay 949 00:52:08,570 --> 00:52:06,310 so I don't think anybody would have 950 00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:08,580 known or noticed or heard or anything 951 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:13,510 about any of those incident or any of 952 00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:18,730 those things that may have happened you 953 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:22,270 know I I just I went by the way also you 954 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:28,090 know I I also recall my cousin's talking 955 00:52:37,110 --> 00:52:34,770 about seeing lights in the sky and I 956 00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:37,120 remember one night and it I don't think 957 00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:40,960 it was that same year we went out jack 958 00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:44,980 rabbit hunting and we saw these lights 959 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:48,240 come down from the north over the 960 00:52:54,780 --> 00:52:49,810 mountain 961 00:52:57,060 --> 00:52:54,790 just north of Muhammad and they 962 00:52:59,070 --> 00:52:57,070 descended on the side of the mountain I 963 00:53:03,030 --> 00:52:59,080 and I remember we were talking about wow 964 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:03,040 what's this but they were far away but 965 00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:04,330 they were close enough where you could 966 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:08,230 see the light the lights coming from 967 00:53:16,260 --> 00:53:12,610 these objects on the ground and then you 968 00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:16,270 could see the cows running from the 969 00:53:22,020 --> 00:53:18,310 light and I was almost like like the 970 00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:22,030 lights were shining down onto the cows 971 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:24,910 and the cows would run from the light 972 00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:28,450 and and my cousin's I remember them 973 00:53:33,470 --> 00:53:30,550 saying you know oh yeah they saw you 974 00:53:37,830 --> 00:53:33,480 know in Spanish and some openings and 975 00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:37,840 and I remember this one that one 976 00:53:42,930 --> 00:53:40,990 particular night that the lights went 977 00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:42,940 back up the side of the mountain to the 978 00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:44,560 top of the mountain and then they shot 979 00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:49,150 off to the west and and then you know 980 00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,040 thinking back now after learning all 981 00:53:57,210 --> 00:53:53,520 this stuff from Ruben and Noah and 982 00:53:59,860 --> 00:53:57,220 listening to all these shows and you 983 00:54:02,260 --> 00:53:59,870 know it it really meant young 984 00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:02,270 that day I guess they call that the Sun 985 00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:05,560 wet or something like that Reuben or 986 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:11,420 know it but yeah I mean you know even 987 00:54:15,550 --> 00:54:13,730 even the people there would talk about 988 00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:15,560 stuff like that they wouldn't refer to 989 00:54:21,490 --> 00:54:19,910 them as UFOs you know or old knees and a 990 00:54:23,590 --> 00:54:21,500 lot of times they'd say oh yeah you know 991 00:54:26,020 --> 00:54:23,600 some of us yeah blow sword 992 00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:26,030 you know Los Angeles or you know they 993 00:54:32,020 --> 00:54:28,190 they would just refer to it as that and 994 00:54:35,770 --> 00:54:32,030 that was it but yeah that's my story 995 00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:35,780 okay I wanted to jump in Frank real 996 00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:38,480 quick and confirm what Tony's saying 997 00:54:43,870 --> 00:54:40,430 that Reuben and I spent some time in 998 00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:43,880 Koyomi on several occasions talking to 999 00:54:51,850 --> 00:54:47,660 the townspeople and to some of the out 1000 00:54:57,610 --> 00:54:51,860 line people who live in outlying Ranch 1001 00:55:00,460 --> 00:54:57,620 branches we were we found out by a 1002 00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:00,470 careful study of the Benham document 1003 00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:04,070 that the crash in the case of the coyame 1004 00:55:13,390 --> 00:55:07,670 UFO incident happened approximately 60 1005 00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:13,400 miles north east of the small town of 1006 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:18,710 koyama so that is quite a distance we 1007 00:55:24,730 --> 00:55:21,410 also encountered the question on several 1008 00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,740 occasions where people would ask us well 1009 00:55:29,470 --> 00:55:26,960 you know we didn't see anything in town 1010 00:55:31,930 --> 00:55:29,480 we heard nothing in town but when you 1011 00:55:35,830 --> 00:55:31,940 stop and think about it that's quite a 1012 00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:35,840 distance away from the actual town now 1013 00:55:41,950 --> 00:55:38,480 the fact that there were no entities 1014 00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:41,960 found at the crash land of UFO was 1015 00:55:47,980 --> 00:55:44,510 always an interesting point to reuben 1016 00:55:50,590 --> 00:55:47,990 and me because we felt that unless the 1017 00:55:53,530 --> 00:55:50,600 ship was unmanned there was a 1018 00:55:56,260 --> 00:55:53,540 possibility that entities had been there 1019 00:55:59,380 --> 00:55:56,270 and after the crash landing they made 1020 00:56:02,860 --> 00:55:59,390 their way to they made their way to the 1021 00:56:06,490 --> 00:56:02,870 nearest major population center which 1022 00:56:10,690 --> 00:56:06,500 would have been the town of Qayamat 1023 00:56:12,430 --> 00:56:10,700 which if if we correlate all this out on 1024 00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:12,440 a map 1025 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:14,910 you know there was also a story that we 1026 00:56:21,580 --> 00:56:16,890 were told where the entities were 1027 00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:21,590 floating away from the crash site 1028 00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:25,500 supposedly seen by witnesses entities 1029 00:56:33,580 --> 00:56:27,420 floating away 1030 00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,590 so we it certainly seems reasonable that 1031 00:56:39,550 --> 00:56:36,720 within a day or two they might have made 1032 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:39,560 it to the location around the town of 1033 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:42,930 Koriyama now when Reuben and I went and 1034 00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:45,170 interviewed the townspeople and also 1035 00:56:51,860 --> 00:56:48,960 well let me just back up and say the 1036 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:51,870 ranch closest to the point where we 1037 00:57:00,860 --> 00:56:56,010 think the impact happened is a place 1038 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:00,870 called El Jana and what we did was we 1039 00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:03,810 took a four-wheel drive vehicle down 1040 00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:07,160 this road north from koyama called 1041 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:10,560 lebretia and basically it's just a dirt 1042 00:57:19,460 --> 00:57:14,370 road it you have to go through a number 1043 00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:19,470 of ravines it really is a rough rough 1044 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:22,500 way to go and but and you have to take 1045 00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,810 it at a very slow speed maybe 20 30 1046 00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:26,880 miles an hour the whole way so it it 1047 00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:30,960 took as an entire day to make it out to 1048 00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:33,420 the location 60 miles northeast of 1049 00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:36,480 koyama where we feel the initial crash 1050 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:39,540 happened and out there at the ranch 1051 00:57:45,140 --> 00:57:42,330 closest to that location we talked to a 1052 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:45,150 a gentleman who had lived there for many 1053 00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:49,410 years and he lived there in 1974 and he 1054 00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:52,680 remembered a night although he didn't 1055 00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:54,780 remember the exact date he remembered a 1056 00:58:02,690 --> 00:57:56,700 night when there was a terrific 1057 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:02,700 explosion and his windows rattled in his 1058 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:05,850 little his little house his windows 1059 00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:09,810 rattled so severely that he felt certain 1060 00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:11,640 that they were going to be the glass was 1061 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:14,220 going to be smashed to smithereens 1062 00:58:18,029 --> 00:58:15,410 there was an earth 1063 00:58:21,370 --> 00:58:18,039 definitely an earth-shaking event 1064 00:58:26,020 --> 00:58:21,380 explosion the earth shook his windows 1065 00:58:29,289 --> 00:58:26,030 rattled and and then he he pulled out 1066 00:58:34,329 --> 00:58:29,299 this dusty old notebook from one of the 1067 00:58:36,430 --> 00:58:34,339 rooms in the back and he he said that 1068 00:58:39,460 --> 00:58:36,440 after that night he began began 1069 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:39,470 documenting every time he saw strange 1070 00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:42,170 lights and strange objects in the hills 1071 00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:45,230 around his little ranch and we saw 1072 00:58:49,930 --> 00:58:46,880 Reuben and I were just amazed when he 1073 00:58:53,650 --> 00:58:49,940 opened this book there were just tons of 1074 00:58:58,750 --> 00:58:53,660 listings of strange objects that he saw 1075 00:59:00,430 --> 00:58:58,760 after that that 1934 incident so and the 1076 00:59:03,609 --> 00:59:00,440 same thing the same types of stories 1077 00:59:07,059 --> 00:59:03,619 such as Tony told us about entities 1078 00:59:09,339 --> 00:59:07,069 being seen and lights in the sky 1079 00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,349 they just predominated in the town of 1080 00:59:14,099 --> 00:59:11,359 Qayamat we even heard it from the mayor 1081 00:59:17,859 --> 00:59:14,109 and his wife who were a longtime 1082 00:59:21,609 --> 00:59:17,869 residents of the area and there seems to 1083 00:59:25,089 --> 00:59:21,619 be a definite energy or it seems to be a 1084 00:59:28,029 --> 00:59:25,099 definite trend there's some kind of 1085 00:59:30,490 --> 00:59:28,039 strange goings-on in that little town 1086 00:59:32,819 --> 00:59:30,500 where nothing really seems to ever 1087 00:59:37,269 --> 00:59:32,829 happen and yet there's this underlying 1088 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:37,279 kind of deep dark secret there oh yeah 1089 00:59:43,059 --> 00:59:40,130 I could I could jump in real quickly and 1090 00:59:45,970 --> 00:59:43,069 know Carlos has a lot to share with us 1091 00:59:48,490 --> 00:59:45,980 do but we have a friend who's also 1092 00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:48,500 investigator Hubert Authority data 1093 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:50,690 he runs the UFO organization in 1094 00:59:56,380 --> 00:59:53,930 Chihuahua and he had shared that the 1095 00:59:59,140 --> 00:59:56,390 with some server of their witnesses have 1096 01:00:02,559 --> 00:59:59,150 also seen this type of being that Tony 1097 01:00:04,269 --> 01:00:02,569 had just described so and then the other 1098 01:00:06,370 --> 01:00:04,279 thought is that there might be an 1099 01:00:08,380 --> 01:00:06,380 underground alien base somewhere in that 1100 01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:08,390 whole region so that's another 1101 01:00:17,470 --> 01:00:13,760 interesting theory behind his I'll stop 1102 01:00:18,940 --> 01:00:17,480 here and Carlos I wanted to come in and 1103 01:00:20,890 --> 01:00:18,950 tell us about some of the background 1104 01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:20,900 investigating you did on this case as 1105 01:00:28,810 --> 01:00:25,150 far as finding newspaper accounts and 1106 01:00:31,870 --> 01:00:28,820 also there is apparently a 1107 01:00:32,890 --> 01:00:31,880 pilot mishap around the same time frame 1108 01:00:38,610 --> 01:00:32,900 so if you could tell us a little bit 1109 01:00:38,620 --> 01:00:42,900 hello Carlos 1110 01:00:48,730 --> 01:00:46,630 yeah I Carlos you have your mic muted so 1111 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:48,740 if you're gonna meet your mic well you 1112 01:00:55,630 --> 01:00:51,410 hear me I can hear you now yes sir did 1113 01:01:00,300 --> 01:00:55,640 you hear my question let me tell you 1114 01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,310 some interesting symptom that I found 1115 01:01:07,540 --> 01:01:03,280 ourselves recommendation not knowing 1116 01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:07,550 underwent a they they request to me that 1117 01:01:13,150 --> 01:01:10,000 I look for in the newspaper of the 1118 01:01:17,110 --> 01:01:13,160 obscure that was published in Mexico at 1119 01:01:20,290 --> 01:01:17,120 times I could find I cou I could find 1120 01:01:22,990 --> 01:01:20,300 that newspaper because here in Mexico 1121 01:01:27,370 --> 01:01:23,000 City the Universidad Nacional autónoma 1122 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:27,380 de Mexico have the main newspaper all 1123 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:33,170 harren Mexico so the first let me try to 1124 01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:36,170 remember the first the first news does I 1125 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:41,240 found is about the that the Mexican do 1126 01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:44,930 follow he pedro fries a cruise which is 1127 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:48,880 already he died his right four years ago 1128 01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:52,370 Pedro Feliz was a pioneers here in 1129 01:02:01,260 --> 01:01:57,050 Mexico and I found a news that the de 1130 01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:01,270 News newspaper wrote the death month 1131 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:06,400 visit coyame at the time for bees was a 1132 01:02:17,070 --> 01:02:10,850 very big surprise because the doctor 1133 01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:17,080 salt was very no well you follow a 1134 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:20,720 research field in Mexico is a is among 1135 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:25,730 who who worked for the many media's in 1136 01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:29,690 Mexico TV radio newspaper etc and as 1137 01:02:38,410 --> 01:02:34,790 news said that he that he were the quick 1138 01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:38,420 word couple of a couple of week before 1139 01:02:42,340 --> 01:02:40,310 the incident in Kagame 1140 01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:42,350 well that one of the 1141 01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:46,880 that that catches my attention a night 1142 01:02:56,340 --> 01:02:50,030 and I talked about these to Reuben annoy 1143 01:03:02,080 --> 01:02:56,350 the other news that iPhone is that the 1144 01:03:04,900 --> 01:03:02,090 time president for who who was President 1145 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:04,910 of the United States and Lisa Jeffrey 1146 01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:08,570 Alvarez was a Mexican president at that 1147 01:03:19,570 --> 01:03:14,480 time the news said that the president 1148 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:19,580 for requests an encounter request a 1149 01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:22,850 meeting with the Mexican president and 1150 01:03:27,820 --> 01:03:27,110 also again is for me was a very big 1151 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:27,830 surprise 1152 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:32,690 Laura yeah what what what they make the 1153 01:03:42,850 --> 01:03:35,450 the United States President are 1154 01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:42,860 requesting Iranian to see and to talk of 1155 01:03:50,530 --> 01:03:46,130 course the the main point perhaps is 1156 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:50,540 always that the both presidents for the 1157 01:04:01,330 --> 01:03:55,730 history talk the a province of the 1158 01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:01,340 border the the problem with the with the 1159 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:05,110 drugs etc but what's the second 1160 01:04:12,130 --> 01:04:08,450 newspapers at site found very strange 1161 01:04:15,790 --> 01:04:12,140 but nothing is for coincident the other 1162 01:04:23,170 --> 01:04:15,800 the other news that iPhone in the 1163 01:04:24,750 --> 01:04:23,180 newspaper was that yes or no can I just 1164 01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:24,760 say something real quick 1165 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:29,000 the the encounter between President Ford 1166 01:04:33,970 --> 01:04:31,250 and the President of Mexico was very 1167 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:33,980 strange I remember that after you told 1168 01:04:42,430 --> 01:04:37,370 us that story I looked it up and it says 1169 01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:42,440 that the two presidents came together by 1170 01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:45,590 themselves apart from all of their aides 1171 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:47,510 and the people who travel with them they 1172 01:04:54,850 --> 01:04:51,170 went walking side by side they were 1173 01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:54,860 engaged in a conversation that nobody 1174 01:04:57,460 --> 01:04:55,760 heard 1175 01:05:00,340 --> 01:04:57,470 and nobody knew what they were talking 1176 01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:00,350 about they were just they just met at 1177 01:05:04,570 --> 01:05:02,720 the international boundary the two 1178 01:05:07,630 --> 01:05:04,580 presidents started walking off by 1179 01:05:12,370 --> 01:05:07,640 themselves there were hand gestures back 1180 01:05:15,460 --> 01:05:12,380 and forth between them and then when 1181 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:15,470 they came back when they came back then 1182 01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:19,490 everybody was was very quiet about what 1183 01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:21,710 they had talked about nobody ever found 1184 01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:23,359 out what they had talked about so I 1185 01:05:28,690 --> 01:05:25,910 thought that that was an extremely 1186 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:28,700 unusual event and I'm so glad you 1187 01:05:33,570 --> 01:05:31,010 brought that up Carlos yeah now just a 1188 01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:33,580 little bit of background Gerald Ford and 1189 01:05:40,780 --> 01:05:36,530 taken over the presidency from Richard 1190 01:05:42,730 --> 01:05:40,790 Nixon and just roughly yeah I guess I'm 1191 01:05:45,490 --> 01:05:42,740 looking up now and it seems to recall 1192 01:05:47,590 --> 01:05:45,500 that it was it was late summer if you 1193 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:47,600 folks remember maybe some younger folks 1194 01:05:52,300 --> 01:05:50,810 aren't really familiar with it the Nixon 1195 01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:52,310 had resigned because of the Watergate 1196 01:06:00,460 --> 01:05:56,960 issue and he sort of took over in let's 1197 01:06:02,020 --> 01:06:00,470 see one that was the exact date so you 1198 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:02,030 know you would figure him that just 1199 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:04,250 coming into the presidency seventy-two 1200 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:07,250 and the other very significant thing is 1201 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:12,170 that Gerald Ford had a substantial UFO 1202 01:06:17,620 --> 01:06:14,810 encounter himself that he was a witness 1203 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:17,630 to and so he was very interested in the 1204 01:06:26,140 --> 01:06:21,050 topic which is another interesting angle 1205 01:06:27,070 --> 01:06:26,150 here that the President of Mexico met 1206 01:06:31,570 --> 01:06:27,080 with Ford 1207 01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,580 they talked privately on the border very 1208 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:33,440 close to where this incident happened 1209 01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:36,290 because this was sealed off Juarez El 1210 01:06:43,810 --> 01:06:41,150 Paso area and then nothing was said 1211 01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:43,820 about what they talked about although we 1212 01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:45,590 looked up in the presidential records 1213 01:06:49,780 --> 01:06:47,510 for Gerald Ford and it indicates that 1214 01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:49,790 they didn't meet but it doesn't talk 1215 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:52,609 about it doesn't give any reason for the 1216 01:06:59,080 --> 01:06:55,970 meeting or what they discussed and then 1217 01:07:01,480 --> 01:06:59,090 a plus on top of that you had Ford's 1218 01:07:05,650 --> 01:07:01,490 intense interest personal interest in 1219 01:07:08,140 --> 01:07:05,660 UFOs yeah from his own sighting yeah he 1220 01:07:09,460 --> 01:07:08,150 had been a congressman from Michigan and 1221 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:09,470 there were a lot of 1222 01:07:13,570 --> 01:07:11,330 there and he was the one who got a 1223 01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:13,580 congressional hearing going in the late 1224 01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:16,880 60s but then he took office in on August 1225 01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:20,150 9th of 74 and you know for those old 1226 01:07:23,859 --> 01:07:21,680 enough to remember that the country was 1227 01:07:25,450 --> 01:07:23,869 in a lot of turmoil so for him to sort 1228 01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:25,460 of drop everything with a lot on his 1229 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:27,830 plate obviously yeah relations with 1230 01:07:32,109 --> 01:07:29,690 Mexico were pretty stable so for him to 1231 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:32,119 drop everything and go meet with the 1232 01:07:36,220 --> 01:07:33,890 president of Texas right in that time 1233 01:07:39,070 --> 01:07:36,230 frame is very interesting like Carlos 1234 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:39,080 says there weren't any pressing border 1235 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:41,330 issues at that time like we have now 1236 01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:45,290 with Trump back then it was just like 1237 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:47,740 Carlos mentioned it was just the mother 1238 01:07:53,260 --> 01:07:50,210 everyday if you can get him everyday 1239 01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:53,270 issues of the drugs being flowing across 1240 01:07:58,540 --> 01:07:55,849 the border and things like that but 1241 01:08:00,400 --> 01:07:58,550 there was nothing pressing in the agenda 1242 01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:00,410 if you look at the news coverage of the 1243 01:08:05,530 --> 01:08:03,950 time there seemed to be nothing big that 1244 01:08:08,260 --> 01:08:05,540 they would have been meeting about and 1245 01:08:12,250 --> 01:08:08,270 it's so odd that it happened right after 1246 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:12,260 this August 25th 1974 incidentally right 1247 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:15,290 right so right yeah that Mexico US 1248 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:17,690 relations have really been that stable 1249 01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:22,130 for a long time now and just well well 1250 01:08:25,809 --> 01:08:24,319 we'll avoid the politics of today but 1251 01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:25,819 going back then yeah it is very 1252 01:08:29,499 --> 01:08:27,680 interesting that the Ford and the 1253 01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:29,509 President of Mexico and what was his 1254 01:08:39,309 --> 01:08:34,250 name at the time Mexican President was 1255 01:08:41,470 --> 01:08:39,319 Lucy choo Mary Alice okay and you know 1256 01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:41,480 you lived down there any anything in 1257 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:44,480 particular about that president that you 1258 01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:45,770 can share with the folks anything that 1259 01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:47,330 really stands out for folks who aren't 1260 01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:55,559 well no no okay apparently yeah just 1261 01:09:00,240 --> 01:08:57,250 everything ran pretty smooth while he 1262 01:09:01,890 --> 01:09:00,250 was there that okay okay Carlos did he 1263 01:09:04,979 --> 01:09:01,900 have any involvement with other UFO 1264 01:09:08,669 --> 01:09:04,989 cases the Chavarria that he did he ever 1265 01:09:17,129 --> 01:09:08,679 express any interest in openings himself 1266 01:09:19,859 --> 01:09:17,139 that you know yes witnesses in 1975 in 1267 01:09:25,140 --> 01:09:19,869 Cuernavaca Cuernavaca is a small town 1268 01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:25,150 about less than an hour by car from 1269 01:09:37,859 --> 01:09:30,150 Mexico City to there and at that time in 1270 01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:37,869 1965 in Mexico or register the biggest 1271 01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:41,710 the biggest wave that that happened here 1272 01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:47,560 in Mexico all these at any time the UFOs 1273 01:09:54,750 --> 01:09:51,279 was reporting from all the state of 1274 01:09:57,780 --> 01:09:54,760 Mexico and one of them belongs to 1275 01:10:00,030 --> 01:09:57,790 achieve area and in another time was 1276 01:10:04,830 --> 01:10:00,040 very important with that sighting that 1277 01:10:09,689 --> 01:10:04,840 each area was witness also at that time 1278 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:09,699 was witness the president a municipal of 1279 01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:13,690 corn Ibaka and each every row was very 1280 01:10:23,790 --> 01:10:16,719 interesting in the circuit if you 1281 01:10:27,390 --> 01:10:23,800 remember in 1968 nineteen just 1968 the 1282 01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:27,400 NASA requests our special permission 1283 01:10:34,830 --> 01:10:32,290 that the American astronauts came to 1284 01:10:39,569 --> 01:10:34,840 Sonora to Sonora Mexico 1285 01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:39,579 in order to make some practice because 1286 01:10:46,919 --> 01:10:42,960 in Sonora there are a desert that 1287 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:46,929 according with NASA said that are very 1288 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:54,130 similar like in in the moon so the so 1289 01:11:01,169 --> 01:10:56,650 the the NASA request to the Mexican 1290 01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:01,179 government government that he the US 1291 01:11:09,380 --> 01:11:05,199 astronauts who came to to here in Mexico 1292 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:09,390 and also bomb Braun was there and 1293 01:11:15,540 --> 01:11:13,090 echeverria said okay the mexican 1294 01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:15,550 government give the permission to make 1295 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:22,979 there's another dimension to this which 1296 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:25,810 we haven't touched on Frank that's very 1297 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:27,610 interesting regarding us-mexico 1298 01:11:33,900 --> 01:11:30,610 relations at the time that the coyame 1299 01:11:36,810 --> 01:11:33,910 incident happened 1974 echeverria and 1300 01:11:38,459 --> 01:11:36,820 Ford as we mentioned were the presidents 1301 01:11:41,490 --> 01:11:38,469 of the respective countries and there 1302 01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:41,500 was good relations between the two 1303 01:11:49,890 --> 01:11:47,100 countries but the US and Mexico were 1304 01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:49,900 they had kind of an informal agreement 1305 01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:52,719 that if the u.s. lost military hardware 1306 01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:55,600 in northern Mexico they were allowed to 1307 01:12:04,130 --> 01:11:58,480 come over and retrieve it so we have 1308 01:12:06,510 --> 01:12:04,140 found instances of where test missiles 1309 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:06,520 experimental aircraft test missiles 1310 01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:10,570 things like that shot out of New Mexico 1311 01:12:18,930 --> 01:12:14,560 Arizona even one of them was fired out 1312 01:12:21,689 --> 01:12:18,940 of California and they would they went 1313 01:12:24,570 --> 01:12:21,699 down in northern northwestern Mexico 1314 01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:24,580 along the Texas border and the u.s. was 1315 01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:28,300 given permission to go there and and 1316 01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:30,340 make the retrieval even in the case of 1317 01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:34,320 the Athena missile crash where you had 1318 01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:37,690 it wasn't a full radioactive warhead but 1319 01:12:43,340 --> 01:12:39,880 there were radioactive materials aboard 1320 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:43,350 the Athena missile when it crashed and 1321 01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:47,410 and again the u.s. went down retrieved 1322 01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:51,250 its hardware and did a kind of a cleanup 1323 01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:55,480 of the area under the auspices of the 1324 01:13:01,500 --> 01:12:59,440 Mexican government so but the 1325 01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:01,510 interesting thing is that when this 1326 01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:04,150 incident happened supposedly the crash 1327 01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,540 retrievable the u.s. crash retrieval of 1328 01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:09,760 the downed UFO was conducted by the 1329 01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:12,880 Central Intelligence Agency that would 1330 01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:15,880 be after the Mexican retrieval team 1331 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:18,310 failed to recover the UFO 1332 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:21,970 and the US interceded on short notice 1333 01:13:28,980 --> 01:13:24,610 staging a recovery team at Fort Bliss in 1334 01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:28,990 El Paso conducted by the CIA that went 1335 01:13:37,470 --> 01:13:33,670 down there and unmarked helicopters they 1336 01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:37,480 were to disavow if caught that they were 1337 01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:39,280 had anything to do with the US 1338 01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:42,910 government so they made that retrieval 1339 01:13:48,150 --> 01:13:46,180 they brought the downed UFO into Texas 1340 01:13:52,380 --> 01:13:48,160 according to the den of dark document 1341 01:13:56,490 --> 01:13:52,390 the CIA at that time had a headquarters 1342 01:13:59,130 --> 01:13:56,500 in Mexico City as well as other in other 1343 01:14:01,400 --> 01:13:59,140 Mexican cities as we mentioned relations 1344 01:14:04,980 --> 01:14:01,410 were good between the two countries but 1345 01:14:07,710 --> 01:14:04,990 perhaps the fact that this incident 1346 01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:07,720 happened the way it did with the CIA and 1347 01:14:13,470 --> 01:14:10,150 that are ending up with the goods so to 1348 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:13,480 speak maybe that is what occasioned the 1349 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:16,330 meeting between Ford and Echevarria on 1350 01:14:21,410 --> 01:14:19,090 the Texas border shortly after the 1351 01:14:24,330 --> 01:14:21,420 incident happened and then the other 1352 01:14:26,220 --> 01:14:24,340 possibility Ruben and I have been told 1353 01:14:29,790 --> 01:14:26,230 that the Mexican soldiers didn't just 1354 01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:29,800 die that they were eliminated in order 1355 01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:33,270 that the crash materials could be 1356 01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:37,120 recovered and that is wild speculation 1357 01:14:43,380 --> 01:14:40,300 Ruben and I have seen no documentation 1358 01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:43,390 that that was the case that's one theory 1359 01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:46,450 that's out there in in cyberspace 1360 01:14:51,570 --> 01:14:49,450 right and that as far as the CIA getting 1361 01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:51,580 involved in crash retrievals that is not 1362 01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:53,770 unprecedented at all there are a couple 1363 01:14:57,870 --> 01:14:55,780 of very famous cases that that we know 1364 01:15:01,410 --> 01:14:57,880 about that absolutely did happen there 1365 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:01,420 was one case involving and the CIA going 1366 01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:03,010 to great lengths to recover macaque 1367 01:15:08,580 --> 01:15:05,110 crash materials now there was the case 1368 01:15:10,740 --> 01:15:08,590 involving a downed a Soviet spy plane 1369 01:15:12,330 --> 01:15:10,750 over Africa that they simply couldn't 1370 01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:12,340 find because it disappeared into the 1371 01:15:18,060 --> 01:15:14,920 jungle and they were able to use remote 1372 01:15:19,650 --> 01:15:18,070 viewers to find the location and 1373 01:15:21,660 --> 01:15:19,660 apparently that was one of the great 1374 01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:21,670 successes of the remote viewing program 1375 01:15:26,570 --> 01:15:24,490 and some of you guys might be in the age 1376 01:15:30,090 --> 01:15:26,580 demographic to remember the very famous 1377 01:15:30,959 --> 01:15:30,100 Glomar Explorer case involving Howard 1378 01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:30,969 Hughes where 1379 01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:33,190 I think essentially they commissioned 1380 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:36,090 Howard Hughes to build a ship to pull a 1381 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:38,650 Soviet sub off the bottom of the Pacific 1382 01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:42,730 ocean floor so the idea that the CIA 1383 01:15:46,020 --> 01:15:44,830 wouldn't be involved in crash retrievals 1384 01:15:47,970 --> 01:15:46,030 or that they wouldn't go to 1385 01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:47,980 extraordinary lengths to retrieve that 1386 01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:51,310 material that that that's a fact 1387 01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:53,920 so we know about that those people are 1388 01:15:59,939 --> 01:15:56,110 incident and in the narrative about this 1389 01:16:04,170 --> 01:15:59,949 story the story goes that the u.s. 1390 01:16:07,229 --> 01:16:04,180 requested permission to assist the 1391 01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:07,239 Mexican government and recovering the in 1392 01:16:12,510 --> 01:16:10,930 you know going to the crash site where 1393 01:16:15,150 --> 01:16:12,520 the UFO and the small plane had crashed 1394 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:15,160 and come down in the desert and that the 1395 01:16:23,729 --> 01:16:19,330 Mexican government had denied the u.s. 1396 01:16:25,650 --> 01:16:23,739 permission to become involved that to me 1397 01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:25,660 sends a little bit of a warning bell 1398 01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:28,360 there and then the next thing we know 1399 01:16:37,170 --> 01:16:30,910 all the Mexican recovery team members 1400 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:37,180 were dead and the u.s. swooped in by an 1401 01:16:45,689 --> 01:16:41,610 unmarked you know unmarked aircraft 1402 01:16:48,090 --> 01:16:45,699 supposedly piloted by the CIA controlled 1403 01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:48,100 by the CIA to make the recovery of the 1404 01:16:56,189 --> 01:16:53,890 object all of this is very strange got 1405 01:17:04,169 --> 01:17:00,390 and also there is an instance involving 1406 01:17:06,260 --> 01:17:04,179 well we've already had discussed the the 1407 01:17:09,740 --> 01:17:06,270 the collision between the UFO and a 1408 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:09,750 riotous and a plane and there was a 1409 01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:12,730 pilot by the name of and wreak a Rivera 1410 01:17:19,950 --> 01:17:17,110 Gutierrez who is apparently passed away 1411 01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:19,960 in August of 74 can you tell us a little 1412 01:17:28,110 --> 01:17:25,449 bit more about that Carlos you did the 1413 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:28,120 research looking at the newspaper 1414 01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:30,610 I believe you looked at the newspaper 1415 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:34,719 out of C laughs what is and you found a 1416 01:17:42,900 --> 01:17:38,290 story about a pilot and Rican Roberto 1417 01:17:45,570 --> 01:17:42,910 Gutierrez who died around August 1974 1418 01:17:49,860 --> 01:17:45,580 and we thought maybe that was the pilot 1419 01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:49,870 of the small plane what do you think yes 1420 01:18:00,270 --> 01:17:54,480 as I mentioned before we look for some 1421 01:18:06,330 --> 01:18:00,280 news all around that date and continue 1422 01:18:09,810 --> 01:18:06,340 we find and strange news and nothing is 1423 01:18:13,530 --> 01:18:09,820 for coincident and also I want to 1424 01:18:19,729 --> 01:18:13,540 comment that I have the opportunity to 1425 01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:23,850 also he had the opportunity to check the 1426 01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:27,640 names that that noe and Ruben gave me 1427 01:18:37,010 --> 01:18:32,400 many years ago he they told me that that 1428 01:18:40,770 --> 01:18:37,020 listening I think was poor oh five names 1429 01:18:43,979 --> 01:18:40,780 belongs to the to the soldiers to the 1430 01:18:47,459 --> 01:18:43,989 Mexican soldier that that was dead that 1431 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:47,469 that signed and that's the Mexican 1432 01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:50,890 military this is a premier this is a 1433 01:18:59,220 --> 01:18:53,920 premier for all of you that the name of 1434 01:19:04,320 --> 01:18:59,230 that four or five names really exist in 1435 01:19:07,250 --> 01:19:04,330 the Mexican military both both have 1436 01:19:09,740 --> 01:19:07,260 right many years ago 1437 01:19:12,710 --> 01:19:09,750 yellow was an interesting angle Frank I 1438 01:19:15,130 --> 01:19:12,720 should add the stories the names that 1439 01:19:19,820 --> 01:19:15,140 Carlos is talking about were suddenly 1440 01:19:22,010 --> 01:19:19,830 posted on the Wikipedia article that 1441 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:22,020 Reuben and I initially wrote about the 1442 01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:25,410 coyame UFO incident we loaded we wrote 1443 01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:28,110 it and then somebody went in and added 1444 01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:30,510 the names of several of the soldiers 1445 01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:33,840 from Mexico and several of the soldiers 1446 01:19:38,810 --> 01:19:35,970 from the US that took part in the crash 1447 01:19:40,850 --> 01:19:38,820 retrieval we don't know who was the 1448 01:19:44,090 --> 01:19:40,860 person that put those names into the 1449 01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:44,100 Wikipedia article and Wikipedia refused 1450 01:19:53,780 --> 01:19:49,110 to disclose the source we contacted the 1451 01:19:57,979 --> 01:19:53,790 person by email who posted those names 1452 01:19:59,720 --> 01:19:57,989 and they never responded to us as to who 1453 01:20:01,520 --> 01:19:59,730 they were what their identity was so 1454 01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:01,530 that was another big mystery in this 1455 01:20:07,340 --> 01:20:05,040 case how did they know the names and as 1456 01:20:10,130 --> 01:20:07,350 Carlos Carlos just said those were 1457 01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:10,140 actual members of the Mexican military 1458 01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:12,900 from around that time period so how did 1459 01:20:17,330 --> 01:20:16,800 they know got it got it that is 1460 01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:17,340 interesting 1461 01:20:21,739 --> 01:20:18,930 have you been able to run down any of 1462 01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:25,549 carlos has done research on the the 1463 01:20:30,589 --> 01:20:27,690 Mexican soldiers that were named and he 1464 01:20:34,540 --> 01:20:30,599 found those names those exact names in 1465 01:20:37,339 --> 01:20:34,550 the service records for Mexican military 1466 01:20:39,529 --> 01:20:37,349 although of course we don't have 1467 01:20:42,290 --> 01:20:39,539 specific specific information as to 1468 01:20:45,169 --> 01:20:42,300 where they were in August of 1974 we do 1469 01:20:49,779 --> 01:20:45,179 know that they were at one time members 1470 01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:49,789 of the Mexican military yes you're right 1471 01:20:55,330 --> 01:20:52,980 okay now I've also gotten the 1472 01:20:58,640 --> 01:20:55,340 information that you all sent me 1473 01:20:59,419 --> 01:20:58,650 regarding this say a witness of another 1474 01:21:01,399 --> 01:20:59,429 world 1475 01:21:02,689 --> 01:21:01,409 an official trailer now is that 1476 01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:02,699 connected to this case or is that 1477 01:21:07,220 --> 01:21:04,860 something else oh that that is something 1478 01:21:08,540 --> 01:21:07,230 else okay okay you guys want to talk 1479 01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:08,550 about that a little bit before we wrap 1480 01:21:19,899 --> 01:21:15,719 up uh well I think Carlos and uh and noe 1481 01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:19,909 and as well as my some other other 1482 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:22,980 colleagues and I have been working on on 1483 01:21:29,979 --> 01:21:25,610 different projects and I know that 1484 01:21:33,319 --> 01:21:29,989 Carlos has worked on several new books 1485 01:21:35,839 --> 01:21:33,329 some related to crash retrievals with 1486 01:21:39,979 --> 01:21:35,849 another colleague Don Francis al-assad 1487 01:21:42,319 --> 01:21:39,989 and twittering briefly Ruben yeah yeah 1488 01:21:46,370 --> 01:21:42,329 Ruben I'd like to I'd like to jump in on 1489 01:21:48,620 --> 01:21:46,380 our latest project if we could Frank go 1490 01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:48,630 for it this this Kodama incident 1491 01:21:56,839 --> 01:21:51,840 happened within maybe 20 or 30 miles of 1492 01:21:59,839 --> 01:21:56,849 a famous place in Texas where some 1493 01:22:01,580 --> 01:21:59,849 strange lights have been appearing since 1494 01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:01,590 the 1800s 1495 01:22:07,609 --> 01:22:05,400 called the Marfa lights short and it's a 1496 01:22:10,489 --> 01:22:07,619 strange phenomenon that to this day 1497 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:10,499 remains unexplained even though a lot of 1498 01:22:14,989 --> 01:22:12,690 scientific studies have been conducted 1499 01:22:20,180 --> 01:22:14,999 some people think it's geologic 1500 01:22:24,049 --> 01:22:20,190 geothermal mineralogical in in nature 1501 01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:24,059 and so almost every night in the small 1502 01:22:30,169 --> 01:22:26,159 town of Marfa Texas which is directly 1503 01:22:31,149 --> 01:22:30,179 across the border from where the events 1504 01:22:33,790 --> 01:22:31,159 we've been talking about 1505 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:33,800 on this show and Qayamat took place 1506 01:22:39,010 --> 01:22:36,530 right on the Texas side is the small 1507 01:22:41,379 --> 01:22:39,020 town of Marfa which Ruben and I have 1508 01:22:43,689 --> 01:22:41,389 been to many times we've gone out there 1509 01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:43,699 we've taken other UFO researchers out 1510 01:22:48,340 --> 01:22:46,250 there to look at them we recently went 1511 01:22:49,810 --> 01:22:48,350 out with Travis Walton and a number of 1512 01:22:54,610 --> 01:22:49,820 other researchers to look at these 1513 01:22:56,740 --> 01:22:54,620 lights and the UFO people well 1514 01:23:00,600 --> 01:22:56,750 those lights have been seen since the 1515 01:23:04,750 --> 01:23:00,610 1800s as I mentioned and so Ruben and I 1516 01:23:07,180 --> 01:23:04,760 and another part of our research team 1517 01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:07,190 John LeMay who lives in Roswell New 1518 01:23:13,149 --> 01:23:10,159 Mexico we came out with a book called 1519 01:23:15,729 --> 01:23:13,159 the real Cowboys and Aliens UFO 1520 01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:15,739 encounters of the Old West and that 1521 01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:18,320 included that book included a chapter on 1522 01:23:28,979 --> 01:23:21,440 the Marfa lights which were first seen 1523 01:23:31,899 --> 01:23:28,989 by Cowboys Texas Cowboys back in 1888 1524 01:23:35,979 --> 01:23:31,909 and we also have in the book many other 1525 01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:35,989 cases that occurred in the in the 1800s 1526 01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:39,440 in the nineteenth century and so Reuben 1527 01:23:44,290 --> 01:23:41,510 and I and John have been working on 1528 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:44,300 follow-up book now which we're about to 1529 01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:46,370 release it's going to be a three book 1530 01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:49,489 series the real Cowboys and Aliens which 1531 01:23:55,180 --> 01:23:51,650 were very excited about so that's been 1532 01:23:57,850 --> 01:23:55,190 taking up a lot of our time recently got 1533 01:24:00,580 --> 01:23:57,860 it now your book on that economy case 1534 01:24:03,060 --> 01:24:00,590 the Kuriyama incident that is available 1535 01:24:04,209 --> 01:24:03,070 now over at Roswell Books your website 1536 01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:04,219 yeah 1537 01:24:08,590 --> 01:24:06,170 Roswell books calm we have more 1538 01:24:10,810 --> 01:24:08,600 information on that the original book 1539 01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:10,820 was called Mexico's Roswell and then we 1540 01:24:17,410 --> 01:24:14,719 followed it up with a second book about 1541 01:24:20,169 --> 01:24:17,420 the case called the coyame incident 1542 01:24:23,729 --> 01:24:20,179 which went more into depth and included 1543 01:24:26,379 --> 01:24:23,739 new information so the original book 1544 01:24:28,570 --> 01:24:26,389 mexico's roswell came out in a first 1545 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:28,580 edition and then we had a second edition 1546 01:24:35,709 --> 01:24:33,290 and then the third the third updating of 1547 01:24:39,070 --> 01:24:35,719 the story was the book the koyama 1548 01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:39,080 incident which is also available in in 1549 01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:42,170 color with all the photographs in it in 1550 01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:43,460 color 1551 01:24:49,150 --> 01:24:46,930 which is you know there's some very nice 1552 01:24:52,090 --> 01:24:49,160 photographs that we took over the years 1553 01:24:54,670 --> 01:24:52,100 of koyama and the surrounding desert it 1554 01:24:59,980 --> 01:24:54,680 turned out really well in as a color 1555 01:25:04,540 --> 01:24:59,990 addition but we mainly what folks mainly 1556 01:25:07,210 --> 01:25:04,550 get are the it's the regular black and 1557 01:25:09,850 --> 01:25:07,220 white bird and you've got another book 1558 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:09,860 available over there at Roswell Books 1559 01:25:15,310 --> 01:25:13,010 calm the Cisco Grove UFO encounter can 1560 01:25:18,370 --> 01:25:15,320 you give us a quick synopsis of that 1561 01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:18,380 case I'm gonna turn that over to my 1562 01:25:24,630 --> 01:25:21,040 friend Reuben as he was the primary 1563 01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:24,640 mover and shaker on that story Reuben Oh 1564 01:25:32,410 --> 01:25:29,120 primarily thank you noe we investigated 1565 01:25:37,330 --> 01:25:32,420 a case that it's a historical case 1566 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:37,340 happened in 1964 up in the mountains of 1567 01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:41,090 northern California point toward Truckee 1568 01:25:46,690 --> 01:25:43,760 and toward Reno where a gentleman and 1569 01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:46,700 his friends were that weekend we're 1570 01:25:51,730 --> 01:25:48,800 going on and we're involved in bow and 1571 01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:51,740 arrow hunting and he had an encounter 1572 01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:56,570 while hunting with these humanoids and 1573 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:01,040 also he had observed as large cylinder 1574 01:26:07,330 --> 01:26:03,650 shape object and what he did was he 1575 01:26:10,810 --> 01:26:07,340 climbed up a tree and stood up and had 1576 01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:10,820 used the tree as a refuge and was 1577 01:26:16,660 --> 01:26:13,850 fighting for avoiding being captured by 1578 01:26:17,850 --> 01:26:16,670 these entities so it's a whole story and 1579 01:26:22,150 --> 01:26:17,860 it really happened 1580 01:26:25,660 --> 01:26:22,160 we have his testimony really quite 1581 01:26:27,970 --> 01:26:25,670 really an interesting case got it okay 1582 01:26:30,460 --> 01:26:27,980 well yeah let's let's wrap this up 1583 01:26:34,110 --> 01:26:30,470 everybody I'd like to thank our guests 1584 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:34,120 for today noe Torres Ruben Uriarte 1585 01:26:39,700 --> 01:26:38,330 Carlos Guzman and Tony Ramirez thanks 1586 01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:39,710 gentlemen for coming on with us this is 1587 01:26:45,730 --> 01:26:43,250 an amazing case that definitely serves a 1588 01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:45,740 good bit more attention head on over to 1589 01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:48,530 roswell books and you'll see noe and 1590 01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:51,890 Rubens entire bibliography over there 1591 01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:54,530 and that by all means go find out more 1592 01:26:57,970 --> 01:26:56,239 about it because I think we kind of 1593 01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:57,980 just scratched the surface today so I 1594 01:27:06,820 --> 01:26:59,840 gentlemen thank you all very much for 1595 01:27:08,650 --> 01:27:06,830 joining us absolutely absolutely so I am 1596 01:27:10,690 --> 01:27:08,660 going to wrap things up we are going to 1597 01:27:13,930 --> 01:27:10,700 be back on Tuesday yeah hopefully chan 1598 01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:13,940 is able to join us because sparrows mole 1599 01:27:19,570 --> 01:27:15,770 heiress is going to talk a little bit 1600 01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:19,580 about the alien autopsy case the video 1601 01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,489 that he was involved in producing a fake 1602 01:27:25,900 --> 01:27:24,080 video that he's gonna tell us all about 1603 01:27:28,300 --> 01:27:25,910 but there are still some people who were 1604 01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:28,310 involved in that that are trying to lead 1605 01:27:33,220 --> 01:27:30,710 people into believing that that is a 1606 01:27:34,780 --> 01:27:33,230 legitimate video when in fact it's not 1607 01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,790 but then we're going to go into some 1608 01:27:38,020 --> 01:27:36,320 detail on that that's been getting a lot 1609 01:27:39,700 --> 01:27:38,030 of attention lately so that's gonna be a 1610 01:27:41,770 --> 01:27:39,710 lot of fun now we've got that scheduled 1611 01:27:43,900 --> 01:27:41,780 for Tuesday and then next weekend is 1612 01:27:46,209 --> 01:27:43,910 Labor Day weekend so I guess what I'm 1613 01:27:48,630 --> 01:27:46,219 gonna be doing I'm gonna be taking off 1614 01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:48,640 and relaxing and having some fun 1615 01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:50,930 gentlemen again thanks for coming on 1616 01:27:57,010 --> 01:27:53,030 enjoy your Labor Day holiday coming up 1617 01:27:58,209 --> 01:27:57,020 next week and goodbye everybody thank